The People's Vote - which way would you vote?
Poll: The People's Vote - which way would you vote?
Total Members Polled: 1247
Discussion
gooner1 said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Are they treating us like w
kers though? Or are they just hardballing us with ‘see who blinks first’ negotiating tactics?
I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks that the EU will just roll over and let us have the ‘sensible and orderly exit’ that is oft quoted. If they give us a good deal it precipitates the downfall of the entire EU, everyone will want the same.
It’s a Union, the clue is in the name, the members of it stand together so that they have a stronger bargaining position. Surely people anticipated this when they put an X in the leave box?
Why would others want to leave if we get a " sensible and orderly exit?kers though? Or are they just hardballing us with ‘see who blinks first’ negotiating tactics? I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks that the EU will just roll over and let us have the ‘sensible and orderly exit’ that is oft quoted. If they give us a good deal it precipitates the downfall of the entire EU, everyone will want the same.
It’s a Union, the clue is in the name, the members of it stand together so that they have a stronger bargaining position. Surely people anticipated this when they put an X in the leave box?
Are there others in this great utopian Union that are not feeling the love, are they being
held as political/economic prisoners?
Oddschecker.com said:
Italy next to leave @ 2/1
Greece next to leave @ 4/1
The latter might have issues vis-a-vis their divorce bill, one would imagine.
Obviously if a second big p(l)ayer goes it somewhat changes the dynamic
Greece next to leave @ 4/1
The latter might have issues vis-a-vis their divorce bill, one would imagine.
Obviously if a second big p(l)ayer goes it somewhat changes the dynamic
PurpleTurtle said:
gooner1 said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Are they treating us like wkers though? Or are they just hardballing us with ‘see who blinks first’ negotiating tactics?
I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks that the EU will just roll over and let us have the ‘sensible and orderly exit’ that is oft quoted. If they give us a good deal it precipitates the downfall of the entire EU, everyone will want the same.
It’s a Union, the clue is in the name, the members of it stand together so that they have a stronger bargaining position. Surely people anticipated this when they put an X in the leave box?
Why would others want to leave if we get a " sensible and orderly exit?kers though? Or are they just hardballing us with ‘see who blinks first’ negotiating tactics? I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks that the EU will just roll over and let us have the ‘sensible and orderly exit’ that is oft quoted. If they give us a good deal it precipitates the downfall of the entire EU, everyone will want the same.
It’s a Union, the clue is in the name, the members of it stand together so that they have a stronger bargaining position. Surely people anticipated this when they put an X in the leave box?
Are there others in this great utopian Union that are not feeling the love, are they being
held as political/economic prisoners?
Oddschecker.com said:
Italy next to leave @ 2/1
Greece next to leave @ 4/1
The latter might have issues vis-a-vis their divorce bill, one would imagine.
Obviously if a second big p(l)ayer goes it somewhat changes the dynamic
Greece next to leave @ 4/1
The latter might have issues vis-a-vis their divorce bill, one would imagine.
Obviously if a second big p(l)ayer goes it somewhat changes the dynamic
The Italy divorce bill, and the UK divorce bill
I think we should just tell them to fk off and crack on to be honest.
It would be cheaper in the long run
edited to add - seriously what are they going to actually really do? Go to war?
it's a load of old st - fk em I say
I think we should just tell them to f
k off and crack on to be honest.It would be cheaper in the long run
edited to add - seriously what are they going to actually really do? Go to war?
it's a load of old s
t - fk em I sayEdited by The Selfish Gene on Friday 19th October 14:33
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Staying as was back in June 2016, is not a viable/realistic option.
Post up what the terms of our 'new' relationship will be with the EU should there be a 2nd referendum with a Remain result, and you'd get a more balanced result.
'People's vote'!
I sense someone is scared at the prospect of the status quo being an option. Post up what the terms of our 'new' relationship will be with the EU should there be a 2nd referendum with a Remain result, and you'd get a more balanced result.
'People's vote'!
Would you jump up and down moaning again for years until you got a 'Dopes don't get it Vote'?
I am sick to death of the whole fakking shambles tbh.
I voted 'Remain' but I want no more votes.
I still think it's a mistake but we need to get on with leaving and deal with the aftermath (and pray it's not as bad as I think it will be). There is no way the EU would just welcome us back with open arms and everything the same, especially after they've seen how pathetic our negotiations have been.
I voted 'Remain' but I want no more votes.
I still think it's a mistake but we need to get on with leaving and deal with the aftermath (and pray it's not as bad as I think it will be). There is no way the EU would just welcome us back with open arms and everything the same, especially after they've seen how pathetic our negotiations have been.
I voted Remain, but this People's Vote idea is nonsense brought on by May/the Tories ridiculous weakness. A people's vote is called a Referendum. Every party agreed to abide by the vote and we voted to leave the EU. The government spent millions on a leaflet telling us of the worst case scenario and we turkeys still voted for christmas, so it' their job to do it
If they fk it up and we crash out of the EU with our dead economy tied to our necks as Scotland and Northern Ireland leave/descend into open warfare and we're all living in caves in a decade, then we can blame our useless government/Leavers (but let's face it- we'd still blame the EU), but it's still what the country voted for by a large margin and the fact that the losing side was probably right all along doesn't change that.
If they f
k it up and we crash out of the EU with our dead economy tied to our necks as Scotland and Northern Ireland leave/descend into open warfare and we're all living in caves in a decade, then we can blame our useless government/Leavers (but let's face it- we'd still blame the EU), but it's still what the country voted for by a large margin and the fact that the losing side was probably right all along doesn't change that.Jockman said:
GT03ROB said:
I didn't vote. But would have been a leaver.
Still am.
I think most people in your position Rob - and that of andymadmak - would have opted for a Leave vote. Still am.
On a personal level I can't see it having a great impact.
For the UK, I have long held the belief the EU was doomed to disintegrate & I'd rather we were out before that happened.
Three things that we should always remember (amongst 1000s of others)...
1. Barnier said (more than once) "Why should we negotiate GBs leaving, as we don't want them to leave" (No wonder, they want us continue to pay for ever!)
2. The EU gave Ford Turkey 80 million to remove (the most successful van ever produced) the Transit production from Southampton to Turkey (who aren't even in the EU)
3. They're paying Tata 125 Million to move Jaguar/LR to Slovakia.
Are those the actions of friends or partners????
No, just the actions of pettyfogging revengeful burocrats who haven't even been voted into their uncontrollable, overpaid positions (Selmair being the perfect example)
1. Barnier said (more than once) "Why should we negotiate GBs leaving, as we don't want them to leave" (No wonder, they want us continue to pay for ever!)
2. The EU gave Ford Turkey 80 million to remove (the most successful van ever produced) the Transit production from Southampton to Turkey (who aren't even in the EU)
3. They're paying Tata 125 Million to move Jaguar/LR to Slovakia.
Are those the actions of friends or partners????
No, just the actions of pettyfogging revengeful burocrats who haven't even been voted into their uncontrollable, overpaid positions (Selmair being the perfect example)
Roboraver said:
I want the CHOICE to change my mind now that everything that LEAVE promised is as likely as seeing unicorns, that's democracy folks, unlucky for some.
No one with any sense either needed to be or should have been listening to the government or the Leave campaign. The situation of the UK in and with the EU was and is pretty clear to the sentient. If you voted the wrong way, tough s
t. Why should we carry on dithering because you don’t know what you’re doing? 
Roboraver said:
I want the CHOICE to change my mind now that everything that LEAVE promised is as likely as seeing unicorns, that's democracy folks, unlucky for some.
People campaigning for the leave side were never in a position to promise anything at all, and I don't even know if they stictly "promised" anything outright anyways, except for; "leaving the EU"; pretty much everyone already knew that before the vote, I did and voted leave still, and would again.
While I have voted for leaving with a deal, I no longer believe that one will be available.
I originally voted leave on balance of about 60:40. The economic penalty will be high. However, the negotiating process has convinced me that the EU is so rigid that it is not somewhere I wish to associate with and the UK should take the hit and just look to the future.
Having attempted to negotiate revised terms, perhaps Cameron realised there would only be one way to leave and so, in reality, did the right thing.
I originally voted leave on balance of about 60:40. The economic penalty will be high. However, the negotiating process has convinced me that the EU is so rigid that it is not somewhere I wish to associate with and the UK should take the hit and just look to the future.
Having attempted to negotiate revised terms, perhaps Cameron realised there would only be one way to leave and so, in reality, did the right thing.
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