Vegan extremists

[Willy Nilly]

toppstuff said:

Mr Tracy said:

skyrover said:

What if you would eat a dog?

Personally it wouldn't bother me

Yulin dog eating festival: 3000 dogs skinned alive, blow-torched then served-up as food

3,000 dogs – many stolen family pets – will be butchered, blow-torched to death and thrown in abject terror into cauldrons of boiling water and oil.

I think its every June-July in China, start saving

Obviously they vary between this techniques for different dogs. Just a reminder that China may be a superpower but they are also medieval and brutal.

There are no words to describe my contempt for the people who do this. They can’t even claim cultural heritage - it’s a relatively recent thing. bds.

They have a few swine flu outbreaks at the minute and are burying the infected pigs alive. It's about time they were brought to account on this, utterly unacceptable.

[Halb]

j_4m said:

Absolutely not.

There’s a difference between an animal that’s evolved over ten thousand years to be a human companion, and one that has always been food.

Quite possibly it goes back much further, though the actual symbiotic relationship aspect could happen fairly quickly
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-...
"But, Hare notes, the physical changes that appeared in dogs over time, including splotchy coats, curly tails, and floppy ears, follow a pattern of a process known as self-domestication. It’s what happens when the friendliest animals of a species somehow gain an advantage. Friendliness somehow drives these physical changes, which can begin to appear as visible byproducts of this selection in only a few generations."

[otolith]

Halb said:

Quite possibly it goes back much further, though the actual symbiotic relationship aspect could happen fairly quickly
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-...
"But, Hare notes, the physical changes that appeared in dogs over time, including splotchy coats, curly tails, and floppy ears, follow a pattern of a process known as self-domestication. It’s what happens when the friendliest animals of a species somehow gain an advantage. Friendliness somehow drives these physical changes, which can begin to appear as visible byproducts of this selection in only a few generations."

[andy_s]

Davos123 said:

My primary objection isn't to our treatment of animals but our use of them. A human is a far better guide than a dog for a blind person, we just don't care enough as a society to pay for it because we can just exploit an animal instead

'Exploit' meant pejoratively I assume; you don't think that perhaps animals, of which we are ourselves, are happier with purpose - and who is exploiting who in this instance, the deal for the dog seems pretty good compared to scavenging in nature and competing for food and mate amongst surely rougher dogs. It seems to me it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

[Rollin]

andy_s said:

Davos123 said:

My primary objection isn't to our treatment of animals but our use of them. A human is a far better guide than a dog for a blind person, we just don't care enough as a society to pay for it because we can just exploit an animal instead

'Exploit' meant pejoratively I assume; you don't think that perhaps animals, of which we are ourselves, are happier with purpose - and who is exploiting who in this instance, the deal for the dog seems pretty good compared to scavenging in nature and competing for food and mate amongst surely rougher dogs. It seems to me it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Yes but the dog doesn't have any choice in the matter. If it wasn't for humans providing much superior food, shelter and safety than in the wild, maybe dogs could forge a career in corporate finance.

[toppstuff]

Rollin said:

Yes but the dog doesn't have any choice in the matter. If it wasn't for humans providing much superior food, shelter and safety than in the wild, maybe dogs could forge a career in corporate finance.

I have experience in corporate finance. I have met Labradors that , in hindsight, would have been better bosses.

[Biker 1]

Rollin said:

Yes but the dog doesn't have any choice in the matter. If it wasn't for humans providing much superior food, shelter and safety than in the wild, maybe dogs could forge a career in corporate finance.

Hmmmmm...... my cats can escape & run away any time they feel like it via their convenient cat flap. But no: every morning at 6am they manipulate Mrs B into feeding them Wiskas, then they sleep the rest of the day, eat again in the evening, then go catch mice & rats for a laugh at night. This time of year they sleep on the under floor heating, which is around 45 C - so who is exploiting who?

[eldar]

toppstuff said:

Obviously they vary between this techniques for different dogs. Just a reminder that China may be a superpower but they are also medieval and brutal.

There are no words to describe my contempt for the people who do this. They can’t even claim cultural heritage - it’s a relatively recent thing. bds.

Didn't you promise us that you were done and dusted with this thread and you would post no more?

[Davos123]

andy_s said:

'Exploit' meant pejoratively I assume; you don't think that perhaps animals, of which we are ourselves, are happier with purpose - and who is exploiting who in this instance, the deal for the dog seems pretty good compared to scavenging in nature and competing for food and mate amongst surely rougher dogs. It seems to me it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

No, not meant pejoratively. I believe the right to dominion over your own life should be absolute. I'm not a utilitarian.

[NormarkSuperswede]

Dog is not that nice to eat.And you stink for days .Its like eating Asparagus . Your pee stinks .With Dog , your sweat stinks

[DoubleD]

Ive eaten horse but not dog. I dont like horses so it made it taste nicer.

[andy_s]

Davos123 said:

andy_s said:

'Exploit' meant pejoratively I assume; you don't think that perhaps animals, of which we are ourselves, are happier with purpose - and who is exploiting who in this instance, the deal for the dog seems pretty good compared to scavenging in nature and competing for food and mate amongst surely rougher dogs. It seems to me it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

No, not meant pejoratively. I believe the right to dominion over your own life should be absolute. I'm not a utilitarian.

Assumption is the mother of... My bad - cheers.

[Willy Nilly]

There were some animal rights protesters in Southend on Sunday. Quite why they were all wearing clowns masks is anyone's guess.

While I'm one, any thoughts on what to do with low hagberg, low specific weight and low protein milling wheat that the millers down't want if there are no animals to feed it to?

[Davos123]

There'll always be an abundance of animals to feed it to, we just don't need to eat them

[Willy Nilly]

Davos123 said:

There'll always be an abundance of animals to feed it to, we just don't need to eat them

There will not be any animals to eat it f we are not eating them. Carla Lane was given some bull calves to look after, which didn't do her finances much good.

[Davos123]

Animals don't only exist on farms and without them there'd likely be a lot more wildlife. If we have excess food product not fit for human consumption we could do the novel thing of putting it to good charitable use rather than trying to profit from every unit of production.

[wc98]

Mr Tracy said:

Vegans ‘barbecue dog’ in the street to shock people into ditching meat

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/24/vegans-barbecue-dog...

there would be a queue for the dog on a stick in the philippines. i may have inadvertently partaken in some dog satay one night after a few beers .

[wc98]

DoubleD said:

Im just curious how a dog is terrified about being thrown into a boiling pan after being blow torched to death?

"blow-torched to death and thrown in abject terror into cauldrons of boiling water and oil."

maybe they are buddhist dogs.

[wc98]

Willy Nilly said:

There were some animal rights protesters in Southend on Sunday. Quite why they were all wearing clowns masks is anyone's guess.

While I'm one, any thoughts on what to do with low hagberg, low specific weight and low protein milling wheat that the millers down't want if there are no animals to feed it to?

biomass plants ?

[Mark-C]

grumbledoak said:

DoubleD said:

So let me get this right. They are skinned alive, butchered, blow torched to death and then terrified at being thrown into a cauldron of boiling water?

I don't think campaigning vegans are too worried about accuracy.

I don't think campaigning anythings are too worried about accuracy!

I hate extremists ... all of them ... whatever it is they're being extreme about ...