Vegan extremists
Discussion
Davos123 said:
Yawn. Coconuts then, or are we not allowed to call that milk either? Who gives a s
t anyway? You can get creamy st to put in your tea or on your cereal without sexual exploitation, enslavement and killing. The extremism is the latter.
I thought it was "cow rape juice" to your lot and not milk. t anyway? You can get creamy st to put in your tea or on your cereal without sexual exploitation, enslavement and killing. The extremism is the latter. Davos123 said:
Yawn. Coconuts then, or are we not allowed to call that milk either? Who gives a st anyway? You can get creamy st to put in your tea or on your cereal without sexual exploitation, enslavement and killing. The extremism is the latter.
Your implication is that we can have milk without dairy. We can't. We can, if we wish, give up milk and consume something else which is completely different. t anyway? You can get creamy st to put in your tea or on your cereal without sexual exploitation, enslavement and killing. The extremism is the latter. Forensic Unknown said:
What countries advise against it?
A quick google didn't bring up countries but did bring up these results:https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vegan-betrayal-th...
http://robgreenfield.tv/vegan/
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-21463/im-a-nutriti...
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-argume...
A lot of conflicting information as these institutes say otherwise about a vegan diet.
The Dieticians Association of Australia
” With good planning, you can get all of the nutrients you need from a vegan diet to be healthy.”
The American Dietetic Association
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”
The British Dietetic Association
“Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.”
The National Health Service (UK)
“With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”
Also Canada has just released new nutrition guidelines which is mostly plant based.
The Dieticians Association of Australia
” With good planning, you can get all of the nutrients you need from a vegan diet to be healthy.”
The American Dietetic Association
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”
The British Dietetic Association
“Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.”
The National Health Service (UK)
“With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”
Also Canada has just released new nutrition guidelines which is mostly plant based.
Forensic Unknown said:
A lot of conflicting information as these institutes say otherwise about a vegan diet.
The Dieticians Association of Australia
” With good planning, you can get all of the nutrients you need from a vegan diet to be healthy.”
The American Dietetic Association
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”
The British Dietetic Association
“Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.”
The National Health Service (UK)
“With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”
Also Canada has just released new nutrition guidelines which is mostly plant based.
'With good planning'. 'Well-planned.' 'Appropriately planned.'The Dieticians Association of Australia
” With good planning, you can get all of the nutrients you need from a vegan diet to be healthy.”
The American Dietetic Association
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”
The British Dietetic Association
“Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.”
The National Health Service (UK)
“With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”
Also Canada has just released new nutrition guidelines which is mostly plant based.
I don't want to, nor need to, 'plan' what I eat.
I 'know' what I can eat that does me good, and is nutritious.
I lived f
king long enough to know!dandarez said:
'With good planning'. 'Well-planned.' 'Appropriately planned.'
I don't want to, nor need to, 'plan' what I eat.
I 'know' what I can eat that does me good, and is nutritious.
I lived fking long enough to know!
All diets require planning to optimise health. Plenty of non-vegans suffer dietary related conditions, indeed many people's diets kill them. I don't want to, nor need to, 'plan' what I eat.
I 'know' what I can eat that does me good, and is nutritious.
I lived f
king long enough to know!21TonyK said:
Not so long ago it was proposed as law in Italy to prevent children having a vegan diet.
Don't think it made it into law or I would have probably seen it but it does raise the issue.
Does it raise the issue or does it just show that they didn't end up going against the available information which shows it's perfectly possible and practical to raise a human on a plant based diet? Don't think it made it into law or I would have probably seen it but it does raise the issue.
Ghana made homosexuality illegal, does that raise the question that homosexuality is bad for us?
Davos123 said:
Is it more extreme than making a bull ejaculate, putting a female on a rack and shoving your arm up her anus whilst you inject said semen into her vagina with a metal rod, keeping her in a she'd through pregnancy, taking her baby away from her after 1 day (to slaughter if they're male) taking her milk from her on industrial machines and then slaughtering her a fraction into her natural lifespan when you could just make milk from oats instead?
Sounds pretty fking extreme to me.
They're not put on a rack. How do you think same sex female people become inseminated? Sounds pretty f
king extreme to me.Roughly speaking, 1 acre will keep one cow. When dad packed up farming in 2005 his average milk yield was 8,500 litres per cow, so 8,500 litres of milk from every acre. That's 8,500 litres of milk that just needs cooling to store and you can drink it without any manufacturing.
I think oats will yield about 3 tons of grain per acre. How much "milk" will you get from that, keeping in mind it will need manufacturing and where do you take oats to be converted into milk if you don't take them to a dairy farm to feed to cows. Then, more land will be able to grow grass to feed to cow than is suitable for growing oats. Then you get to milk a cow every day, oats only get harvested once, if the weather is right.
We don't really know how long a cow will live for in the wild. Certainly if she never got in calf and never had to give any milk she could live for years on a farm. But in the wild, she would get eaten as soon as she couldn't keep up with the herd. She might get eaten as a calf, she might stay fit and run like buggery so live a long life. She might get lame and get eaten or have a bad first calving and get eaten. We'll never know. The only parallel we can make is looking at the average age wildebeest or other large wild bovines get eaten at.
Davos123 said:
dandarez said:
'With good planning'. 'Well-planned.' 'Appropriately planned.'
I don't want to, nor need to, 'plan' what I eat.
I 'know' what I can eat that does me good, and is nutritious.
I lived fking long enough to know!
All diets require planning to optimise health. Plenty of non-vegans suffer dietary related conditions, indeed many people's diets kill them. I don't want to, nor need to, 'plan' what I eat.
I 'know' what I can eat that does me good, and is nutritious.
I lived f
king long enough to know!ks to the first sentence. What I eat does not require 'good planning', 'well-planned', 'appropriately planned' nor 'careful planning'.
I'd already explained why.
As to the other sentences, that's because they eat s
te.Davos123 said:
21TonyK said:
Not so long ago it was proposed as law in Italy to prevent children having a vegan diet.
Don't think it made it into law or I would have probably seen it but it does raise the issue.
Does it raise the issue or does it just show that they didn't end up going against the available information which shows it's perfectly possible and practical to raise a human on a plant based diet? Don't think it made it into law or I would have probably seen it but it does raise the issue.
Ghana made homosexuality illegal, does that raise the question that homosexuality is bad for us?
dandarez said:
bks to the first sentence.
What I eat does not require 'good planning', 'well-planned', 'appropriately planned' nor 'careful planning'.
I'd already explained why.
As to the other sentences, that's because they eat ste.
Good to know. I have a perfectly healthy diet too, I put zero effort or thought into it anymoreks to the first sentence. What I eat does not require 'good planning', 'well-planned', 'appropriately planned' nor 'careful planning'.
I'd already explained why.
As to the other sentences, that's because they eat s
te.
Lentilist said:
skyrover said:
Ethics are fickle and change with the wind. Our bodies don't.
Except when they do, like the emergence of adult lactase persistence in certain parts of the world. We drink milk into adulthood likely because of genetic mutations in our early cattle farming ancestors. Absolutely gave them a survival advantage and likely also contributed to the emergence and dominance of that specific culture, but that's a happy and pretty recent (~8000 years) accident. We never needed to drink non-human milk into adulthood, it was just useful that some of us could. That's not a reason to believe we still have to or to not look at alternative sources for the same nutrients if we so choose.
Rovinghawk said:
Forensic Unknown said:
What countries advise against it?
A quick google didn't bring up countries but did bring up these results:https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vegan-betrayal-th...
http://robgreenfield.tv/vegan/
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-21463/im-a-nutriti...
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/10-argume...
otolith said:
It's a lot easier to avoid malnutrition without having to put a lot of planning into your diet if you don't exclude a big chunk of what humans typically eat.
"What humans typically eat" is a symptom of culture.There are plenty of "fussy" eaters that would starve to death of they couldn't find a McDonald's in Vietnam, an Italian in Australia or a burger joint in Paris. And yet the locals seem to get by without much thought.
Does Veganism require more effort? No. I wouldn't have to go to different shops, the food isn't physically heavier.
Is there more thought? Yes, but that's a cultural issue of finding animal products in the strangest of things or just a general ignorance of food.
Same can be said of restaurant food, we think of a restaurant that's a variation of just one simple thing, burger, to be normal. But a vegetarian/vegan restaurant? F*** me that's restrictive, I'll never find something I like.
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