Vegan extremists

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DoubleD

7,256 posts

47 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Davos123 said:
DoubleD said:
Yes, veganism is a diet. But this thread isnt about dieting. Its about nutters who push their beliefs onto others.
Veganism is not a diet. There are plenty of different diets a vegan may eat, all of them plant-based.

Veganism is the belief that all sentient life is deserving of holding dominion over itself and therefore avoiding contributing to the killing and exploitation of animals in any form.
Its a diet with shopping restrictions then.

Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Saturday 2nd February
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To be fair there would be no sentient life on planet Earth without animals exploiting and killing each other. It’s literally how life works.

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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DoubleD said:
Its a diet with shopping restrictions then.
No. Why would a diet mean I don't go to SeaWorld, buy leather products or purchase pets?

DoubleD

7,256 posts

47 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Davos123 said:
DoubleD said:
Its a diet with shopping restrictions then.
No. Why would a diet mean I don't go to SeaWorld, buy leather products or purchase pets?
Thats the shopping restrictions bit.

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Kenny Powers said:
To be fair there would be no sentient life on planet Earth without animals exploiting and killing each other. It’s literally how life works.
I don't have any time for appeal to nature arguments. There's lots of behaviour exhibited in other animals that humans don't find desirable as we are moral agents. You cannot justify us killing an eating animals purely on the basis other animals do it anymore than you can justify rape or infanticide on the same basis.
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Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Saturday 2nd February
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It’s not unlike a religion. Certainly it’s a set of beliefs.

Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Davos123 said:
I don't have any time for appeal to nature arguments. There's lots of behaviour exhibited in other animals that humans don't find desirable as we are moral agents. You cannot justify us killing an eating animals purely on the basis other animals do it anymore than you can justify rape or infanticide on the same basis.
You wouldn’t be here if countless billions of creatures hadn’t died or been killed before you. It’s how life perpetuates. You’re welcome to disagree but it won’t make you right.

ETA: You may be a moral agent but I’m an animal.


Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 2nd February 09:31

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Kenny Powers said:
You wouldn’t be here if countless billions of creatures hadn’t died or been killed before you. It’s how life perpetuates. You’re welcome to disagree but it won’t make you right.

ETA: You may be a moral agent but I’m an animal.


Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 2nd February 09:31
Do you think it's ok to rape and kill babies? If not you're also a moral agent

Kenny Powers

2,115 posts

66 months

Saturday 2nd February
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I’m out. Have a good day.

Rollin

4,464 posts

184 months

Saturday 2nd February
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"There is a common misconception that honey bees make their honey especially for us, but this couldn’t be much further from the truth." Vegan society

Avoiding the plants that bees are exploited to pollinate commercially must be difficult too.

Those poor bees frown

Edited by Rollin on Saturday 2nd February 11:26

Thesprucegoose

17,276 posts

134 months

Saturday 2nd February
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The no carb brigade can be just as bad. Preaching should be illegal, just get on with but veganism is currently trendy.


Halb

46,686 posts

122 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Thesprucegoose said:
The no carb brigade can be just as bad. Preaching should be illegal, just get on with but veganism is currently trendy.
I think any diet which is heading towards the outliers/extreme of food consumption has it's zealots/fundamentalists. Many just get on with it, but the ones that get the attention are the noisy, rude ones.

Rollin

4,464 posts

184 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Halb said:
Thesprucegoose said:
The no carb brigade can be just as bad. Preaching should be illegal, just get on with but veganism is currently trendy.
I think any diet which is heading towards the outliers/extreme of food consumption has it's zealots/fundamentalists. Many just get on with it, but the ones that get the attention are the noisy, rude ones.
Nope. Vegans claim moral superiority.

grumbledoak

23,900 posts

172 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Rollin said:
Nope. Vegans claim moral superiority.
Oh yes, and because it is their morality they feel they can be outraged and angry at those who don't share it, and think it fine to force it upon others.

It is very like a Godless religion.

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Rollin said:
Nope. Vegans claim moral superiority.
No, vegans claim that it is unethical to exploit animals for human gain and that the suffering caused by doing so can't be justified ethically. That doesn't equate to claiming moral superiority because to do so would involve ignoring the external influences which condition us to believe the opposite.

Davos123

5,079 posts

151 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Kenny Powers said:
It’s not unlike a religion. Certainly it’s a set of beliefs.
Except a religion is a doctrine prescribed through generations of conditioning and perceived knowledge, drilled into people's heads from birth and prevents them from taking an objective, evidence based view.

Carnism is the religion, veganism is the rational response.

hucumber

281 posts

36 months

Saturday 2nd February
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grumbledoak said:
Oh yes, and because it is their morality they feel they can be outraged and angry at those who don't share it, and think it fine to force it upon others.

It is very like a Godless religion.
*Some vegans. Don't tar is all with the same brush. If you think that's vegans as a whole then you are pretty fking stupid

Halb

46,686 posts

122 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Rollin said:
Halb said:
Thesprucegoose said:
The no carb brigade can be just as bad. Preaching should be illegal, just get on with but veganism is currently trendy.
I think any diet which is heading towards the outliers/extreme of food consumption has it's zealots/fundamentalists. Many just get on with it, but the ones that get the attention are the noisy, rude ones.
Nope. Vegans claim moral superiority.
yes, because of what I wrote

andy_s

14,147 posts

198 months

Saturday 2nd February
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Davos123 said:
Kenny Powers said:
It’s not unlike a religion. Certainly it’s a set of beliefs.
Except a religion is a doctrine prescribed through generations of conditioning and perceived knowledge, drilled into people's heads from birth and prevents them from taking an objective, evidence based view.

Carnism is the religion, veganism is the rational response.
Is carnism a radical sect of the church of omnivorism?

Thesprucegoose

17,276 posts

134 months

Saturday 2nd February
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i was reading about meat being grown in labs and close to mass production, no harm to animals, would vegans still not eat it?