45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
RobDickinson said:
WaPo get hold of an interim report detailing how Russia went all in on social media for Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/...
A report prepared for the Senate that provides the most sweeping analysis yet of Russia's election disinformation campaign found the operation used every major social platform to help elect Trump — and worked even harder to support him while in officehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/...
Giuliani got ripped apart by Chris Wallace on Fox News yesterday
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/421...
At one point Wallace said "I’m asking you for the truth, sir,"
After some more back-and-forth, Wallace jumped in to fact-check Giuliani's claim that the prosecutors alleging Trump's involvement in the payments were originally appointed to look at "collusion" and "obstruction."
"No no no no, sir, this was the Southern District of New York, they have nothing to do with collusion or obstruction of justice," Wallace said.
"They’re part of the Department of Justi—" Giuliani began to say. But Wallace interjected, saying, "I’m sure when you were the U.S. attorney for the Southern District, you didn’t take orders from somebody in Washington who had nothing to do with the Attorney General."
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/421...
At one point Wallace said "I’m asking you for the truth, sir,"
After some more back-and-forth, Wallace jumped in to fact-check Giuliani's claim that the prosecutors alleging Trump's involvement in the payments were originally appointed to look at "collusion" and "obstruction."
"No no no no, sir, this was the Southern District of New York, they have nothing to do with collusion or obstruction of justice," Wallace said.
"They’re part of the Department of Justi—" Giuliani began to say. But Wallace interjected, saying, "I’m sure when you were the U.S. attorney for the Southern District, you didn’t take orders from somebody in Washington who had nothing to do with the Attorney General."
Byker28i said:
So what's coming this week? Trump went a complete twitter rant yesterday, indicating something's coming, something big.
Is this related to the sealed court floor?
He goes on mindless rants all the time. I doubt there’s anything different happening this week.Is this related to the sealed court floor?
And also I think people are clutching at straws in relation to legal actions having any tangible impact on Trump. There is a huge amount of support for “him” a lot of people in Government and Outside have an agenda that he is helping to implement. They won’t let him go down.
It would be helpful if the Dems had a decent counter-message for the Anti-Trumps to rally around but they don’t. So at the moment it’s like using a scattergun to bring down an elephant. The pellets keep bouncing off him.
Countdown said:
Byker28i said:
So what's coming this week? Trump went a complete twitter rant yesterday, indicating something's coming, something big.
Is this related to the sealed court floor?
He goes on mindless rants all the time. I doubt there’s anything different happening this week.Is this related to the sealed court floor?
And also I think people are clutching at straws in relation to legal actions having any tangible impact on Trump. There is a huge amount of support for “him” a lot of people in Government and Outside have an agenda that he is helping to implement. They won’t let him go down.
It would be helpful if the Dems had a decent counter-message for the Anti-Trumps to rally around but they don’t. So at the moment it’s like using a scattergun to bring down an elephant. The pellets keep bouncing off him.
RobDickinson said:
If it was any real politician he'd have negotiated an exit but Trump can't negotiate a breakfast.
Plus once he's not president it's open season on trumps
Somethings coming:Plus once he's not president it's open season on trumps
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
....The Russian Witch Hunt Hoax, started as the “insurance policy” long before I even got elected, is very bad for our Country. They are Entrapping people for misstatements, lies or unrelated things that took place many years ago. Nothing to do with Collusion. A Democrat Scam!
12:56 PM - 16 Dec 2018
I don't think the trumps/kushner are protected at all only the Donald. Once the family start being charged then it'll really kick off.
Ivanka, Eric and Don jr are all vulnerable because daddy used the trump organisation as a personal piggy bank, and they all signed off on it.
trump also used campaign funds as a personal piggy bank, but that brings others into the fold.
Don jr is at risk from conspiring with the russians and can't keep his mouth shut.
Kushner is probably the cleverest, but as such is heavily implicated in the Israel/Saudia/UAE deals and russian back channels, with enough people willing to sell him out when it gets sticky.
Then somethings going on with that sealed courtroom and someone fighting a subpoena. I still think thats Kushner based on the prosecutors.
Whatever this court battle is, it’s been going on since August. It’s currently at the U.S. Court of Appeals level, meaning that it started out in lower court, one side won, and the other side is appealing.
How far will trump sell out his family and let them take the fall? He's shown no loyalty to any of his devotees so far
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 17th December 08:06
On ABC's "This Week," Giuliani seemed to reference Trump's written responses to special counsel Robert Mueller, saying the conversations about the proposed Moscow project might have gone as far as the tail end of the general election period.
"According to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to November of -- covered all the way up to November 2016," Giuliani said. "Said he had conversations with him -- but the President didn't hide this."
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics/rudy-g...
Trump interview Feb 2017
" I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia."
Mind you in that same CNBC interview he denied that his team or him ever had anything to do with Russia
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/click-for-a-full-t...
"According to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to November of -- covered all the way up to November 2016," Giuliani said. "Said he had conversations with him -- but the President didn't hide this."
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics/rudy-g...
Trump interview Feb 2017
" I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia."
Mind you in that same CNBC interview he denied that his team or him ever had anything to do with Russia
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/click-for-a-full-t...
Trump tells
David Gura on MSNBC showed a visual timeline of Trump twitter rants followed almost immediately by Mueller or SDNY actions. See it visually put together.
https://www.msnbc.com/david-gura/watch/does-presid...
David Gura on MSNBC showed a visual timeline of Trump twitter rants followed almost immediately by Mueller or SDNY actions. See it visually put together.
https://www.msnbc.com/david-gura/watch/does-presid...
Byker28i said:
Somethings coming:
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
....The Russian Witch Hunt Hoax, started as the “insurance policy” long before I even got elected, is very bad for our Country. They are Entrapping people for misstatements, lies or unrelated things that took place many years ago. Nothing to do with Collusion. A Democrat Scam!
12:56 PM - 16 Dec 2018
I don't think the trumps/kushner are protected at all only the Donald. Once the family start being charged then it'll really kick off.
Ivanka, Eric and Don jr are all vulnerable because daddy used the trump organisation as a personal piggy bank, and they all signed off on it.
trump also used campaign funds as a personal piggy bank, but that brings others into the fold.
Don jr is at risk from conspiring with the russians and can't keep his mouth shut.
Kushner is probably the cleverest, but as such is heavily implicated in the Israel/Saudia/UAE deals and russian back channels, with enough people willing to sell him out when it gets sticky.
Then somethings going on with that sealed courtroom and someone fighting a subpoena. I still think thats Kushner based on the prosecutors.
Whatever this court battle is, it’s been going on since August. It’s currently at the U.S. Court of Appeals level, meaning that it started out in lower court, one side won, and the other side is appealing.
How far will trump sell out his family and let them take the fall? He's shown no loyalty to any of his devotees so far
Trump's Trump card is the pardon. Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
....The Russian Witch Hunt Hoax, started as the “insurance policy” long before I even got elected, is very bad for our Country. They are Entrapping people for misstatements, lies or unrelated things that took place many years ago. Nothing to do with Collusion. A Democrat Scam!
12:56 PM - 16 Dec 2018
I don't think the trumps/kushner are protected at all only the Donald. Once the family start being charged then it'll really kick off.
Ivanka, Eric and Don jr are all vulnerable because daddy used the trump organisation as a personal piggy bank, and they all signed off on it.
trump also used campaign funds as a personal piggy bank, but that brings others into the fold.
Don jr is at risk from conspiring with the russians and can't keep his mouth shut.
Kushner is probably the cleverest, but as such is heavily implicated in the Israel/Saudia/UAE deals and russian back channels, with enough people willing to sell him out when it gets sticky.
Then somethings going on with that sealed courtroom and someone fighting a subpoena. I still think thats Kushner based on the prosecutors.
Whatever this court battle is, it’s been going on since August. It’s currently at the U.S. Court of Appeals level, meaning that it started out in lower court, one side won, and the other side is appealing.
How far will trump sell out his family and let them take the fall? He's shown no loyalty to any of his devotees so far
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 17th December 08:06
Another link as to why I think Kushner.
The Daily Beast are reporting that next for Robert Mueller will be evidence connecting the Trump campaign financially to nations like Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates. Thats all Kushner and comes from Flynns cooperation
https://www.thedailybeast.com/get-ready-for-muelle...
We also know that Kushner took over the links to AMI, Pecker, the national Enquirer after Cohen, so was at least involved in the denial fo the payments
The Daily Beast are reporting that next for Robert Mueller will be evidence connecting the Trump campaign financially to nations like Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates. Thats all Kushner and comes from Flynns cooperation
https://www.thedailybeast.com/get-ready-for-muelle...
We also know that Kushner took over the links to AMI, Pecker, the national Enquirer after Cohen, so was at least involved in the denial fo the payments
Byker28i said:
So what's coming this week? Trump went a complete twitter rant yesterday, indicating something's coming, something big.
Is this related to the sealed court floor?
How many times has this been said? It never really comes to fruition. Is this related to the sealed court floor?
Trump is in deep st but don't read too much into his Twitter ranting.
He's been doing that since day one.
There's few people left to charge other than Trump family etc
Trump bailed on his long term business partner or coffee boy he hardly met Cohen, what happens when it's Jared or Ivanka?
If he pardons them then they have to talk otherwise they'll go to prison anyhow.
He's loosing the backing of more gop senators too.
Trump bailed on his long term business partner or coffee boy he hardly met Cohen, what happens when it's Jared or Ivanka?
If he pardons them then they have to talk otherwise they'll go to prison anyhow.
He's loosing the backing of more gop senators too.
p1stonhead said:
Unless America truly is dead (it isnt), he will be held accountable one day. He will likely last his first term IMO, but he will get brought down eventually. Its gone too far for that not to happen now. Seems literally everyone around him is a damn crook.
The crowning achievement of the Trump Presidency may turn out to be answering the question of whether a sitting President can be indicted on criminal charges.With a supreme court packed with his people, it's not hard to guess where that decision might land.
But think about it for a second. Where it is heading is potentially here; the constitution of the United States protects a sitting President from being held accountable for criminal acts - so Trump can carry on being President. Despite being a criminal. And the discussion will be exactly around that - not whether he's a criminal or the levels of his criminality but rather whether he can get away with it because President.
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