45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Countdown

22,450 posts

135 months

Monday 21st January
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Byker28i said:
"You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem," Trump said. "You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest, immediately. Immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020.


"The Running Man" with Big Arnie was on TV a few weeks ago. It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real

Byker28i

16,389 posts

156 months

Monday 21st January
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Countdown said:
"The Running Man" with Big Arnie was on TV a few weeks ago. It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real
Good film, I liked where he stabbed the pen into his back biggrin

Gameface

7,561 posts

16 months

Monday 21st January
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Byker28i said:
Good film, I liked where he stabbed the pen into his back biggrin
Trump is safe. He uses felt tips...

Seventy

1,746 posts

77 months

Monday 21st January
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Countdown said:
It's kind of worrying how these fictional dystopian societies seem to becoming more and more real

Byker28i

16,389 posts

156 months

Monday 21st January
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Countdown said:
The depressing thing is that most, if not all, of his supporters will accept that at face value and ignore any facts to the contrary. And the Dems are never going to win the "Immigration" fight. What this means is that people hate immigrants so much they'll believe anything Trump says as long as it fits in with their view of the World, and that's why they'll vote for him again come 2020.
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etc

We know his campaign team conspired with at least the russians and probaby Saudi, Egypt, UAE, Israel etc to influence the 2016 presidential election.

We know that trump has made policy decisions based on campaign favors, who gave him money. We know he's facing emoluments clause violations as Trump has accepted foreign money through his hotels, where countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been renting large blocks of rooms at considerable costs, without using them.

We know trump is accused of violating campaign-finance rules, evading taxes, and using federal monies for personal gain. Listed as a co-conspirator to committing a felony by directing campaign payments to the adult-film star Stormy Daniels and the former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal to keep them quiet about sexual affairs. The New York Times uncovered a long history of corrupt tax practices in which a younger Trump and his father, Fred Trump, attempted to evade their tax obligations through false assessments of properties and other shell games to protect their money. How trump misused the funds of the trump organisation, using it as his personal piggy bank.

Then there's the obstruction, the witness tampering, the years of money laundering...

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Countdown

22,450 posts

135 months

Monday 21st January
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Byker28i said:
Sadly you're right. We now have enough knowledge that if it was anyone else, if it was any single crime, then trump would have been indicted already, but the shear scale of the crimes is incredible, which is why it's taking so long. I think when it all comes out, especially his selling out to the russians then his base will desert him. By which time though he will have destroyed the GOP, the NRA etc


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Based on what's happened so far I disagree. The man's lies, his hypocrisy and the fact that his behaviour has verged on traitorous has been clear for everybody to see, and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.

To assume that will happen is wishful thinking.

Seventy

1,746 posts

77 months

Monday 21st January
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Countdown said:
and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.
Sorry for the snip.
Some of his supporters certainly have deserted him.

captain_cynic

4,383 posts

34 months

Monday 21st January
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Seventy said:
Countdown said:
and yet despite all this his supporters haven't deserted him.
Sorry for the snip.
Some of his supporters certainly have deserted him.
The thing about any 2 party democracy is that there are always 40-45% of people that will always vote for each party. A number of people will always vote Democrat, and a number will always vote Republican no matter what. Same with Conservative/Labour here in the UK (Or LNP/Labor in Australia). 2 party systems only survive because a large and relatively equal number of voters will always vote for their chosen party. However it means the remaining 10-20% who actually change their vote get to decide things for everyone.

The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care.

Anyway, Trump is dependent on that 10% of Americans who change their vote, as is his opposition... And I'm pretty certain that given the outcome of the mid terms, they have abandoned him.

arfursleep

477 posts

43 months

Monday 21st January
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Boydie88 said:
vonuber said:
Some school kids bussed in to protest about abortion rights and then who choose to also disrupt the march of some 'natives' - to use boyde88's terminology- on their way to honour war dead.
Whilst wearing MAGA hats, with all that connotates.

Blimey Charlie, what a thing to defend.
They were waiting by the Abraham monument for their bus before being targeted by the racist Black Hebrew Israelites and Phillips walking into their group, but ok, fabricate a story that fits your agenda, not hysterical at all. hehe
Trump will probably invite the kids to the WH, his base will love it and it will inflame everyone else.

it's certainly shone a light on the school the kids are from, which is a long way from what i'd expect a Catholic school to be

Byker28i

16,389 posts

156 months

Monday 21st January
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Two years in office, 8,158 false or misleading claims from Trump.

Trump averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office.
He hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year, almost triple the pace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21...

fblm

15,883 posts

202 months

Monday 21st January
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captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.

captain_cynic

4,383 posts

34 months

Monday 21st January
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fblm said:
captain_cynic said:
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The difference between the UK/Oz/Canada/NZ and the US is that voters in the US register their preferred parties. That just seems daft to me as you're essentially saying you're a counted vote and they don't even need to pretend to care about you. At least here, even in a safe seat your party has to at least pretend they care....
As I understand it you only have to register your affiliation to vote in the primaries, ie to select your chosen candidate. So it's similar to joining a party in the UK to select MP's/glorious leader. You obviously don't have to register an preference to vote in the actual election.
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.

Byker28i

16,389 posts

156 months

Monday 21st January
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arfursleep said:
Trump will probably invite the kids to the WH, his base will love it and it will inflame everyone else.
for a macdonalds? biggrin

arfursleep

477 posts

43 months

Monday 21st January
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captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
I had never connected those dots before...

fblm

15,883 posts

202 months

Monday 21st January
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captain_cynic said:
Still, it registers your intention to vote for a specific party. If you're willing to vote in the primary, why would you then vote for the other party?

It also makes gerrymandering much easier as you know where your supporters live.
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.

Shakermaker

8,229 posts

39 months

Monday 21st January
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fblm said:
The only reason for registering party is to select your party's candidate, you can vote the other way or not at all if you choose to. AFAICS this is no different to joining a Political Party in the UK to select your candidate, who then know where you live. The only real difference I can see is that voter records are public so both sides know where both sides registered voters are, not just their own.
That's quite a big difference when it comes to it though.

Seventy

1,746 posts

77 months

Monday 21st January
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Kamala Harris has announced her candidacy for President.
I like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.smile

Byker28i

16,389 posts

156 months

Monday 21st January
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Seventy said:
Kamala Harris has announced her candidacy for President.
I like her, if Donald starts mouthing off about her I might have to get on a plane.smile
Interesting candidate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4694783...

so then so far that also includes
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro of Texas
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Former congressional candidate Richard Ojeda of West Virginia
Businessman Andrew Yang of New York
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

quite a mixed bunch

Eric Mc

105,397 posts

204 months

Monday 21st January
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The idea of the USA having a "President Castro" is deliciously ironic.

GCH

2,563 posts

141 months

Monday 21st January
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Byker28i said:
Interesting candidate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4694783...

so then so far that also includes
Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro of Texas
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland
Former congressional candidate Richard Ojeda of West Virginia
Businessman Andrew Yang of New York
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

quite a mixed bunch
Waiting for Cory Booker to throw his hat in the ring at some point, plus of course the Joe Biden rumours


Edited by GCH on Monday 21st January 19:05