45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

[Byker28i]

Mueller's Grand Jury is meeting today which is a bit unusual. Washington Post reporter Spencer Hsu notes the last time they met on Thursday was the day before the last batch of indictments were rolled out on Friday.

Jerome Corsi stepson Andrew Stettner has arrived at the U.S. district courthouse in D.C. to testify to a grand jury working with the Mueller Russia investigation. "He doesn't have much to say," said his attorney Larry Klayman, anticipating his appearance would not take long

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conservati...

[captain_cynic]

Byker28i said:

Republican Sen. Cory Gardner's spokesman said that he intends to vote for a clean funding bill that would open the government with *no* increased border-security funding attached.
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/23/colorado-cor...

Paywalled.

But as I've said all along, the senate can bypass Trump, pass a budget without wall funding and will do so as soon as the shut down has dragged on long enough to threaten their seats. Even if Trump veto's the bill, they only need a 2/3 majority in a second vote to overrule that.

Although, Colorado is one of the more liberal of the red states, so this may drag on for some time.

[CAPP0]

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

[captain_cynic]

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

(a) Not very likely. Even with Trump in it the sanctity of the office of the president is held in very high regard, Americans will be very reluctant to remove any sitting president because it sets a negative precedent as well as tarnishing the office of the president.

(b) Almost a certainty at this stage. However if he's removed from office he will likely receive some protection from prosecution, if he leaves normally or resigns (without a deal) then it's open slather. Remember that Nixon had to be pardoned by Ford.

(c) Were I a betting man, I wouldn't put money on it either way. It depends what Mueller has in his sealed indictments. Trtump's been uncharacteristically careful about lying to the FBI so far... mainly by having everyone else do the lying for him but if Mueller has a charge bad enough with evidence to convict, orange might be his only colour he sees for the rest of his life.

[Countdown]

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

[p1stonhead]

Countdown said:

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

No Way.

Agree with A.
B and C are a certainty once he is done IMO.

[rednotdead]

Countdown said:

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

Sadly I think this. The amount of st flying around him and sticking to him would have sunk any other politician - imagine the howls of outrage from the Republicans if it was Obama we were talking about, he'd have been ousted straight away. Trump just seems to get away with it and the longer Mueller takes the more 'normal' it all becomes and no-one bats an eyelid anymore.

[Bill]

rednotdead said:

Sadly I think this. The amount of st flying around him and sticking to him would have sunk any other politician - imagine the howls of outrage from the Republicans if it was Obama we were talking about, he'd have been ousted straight away. Trump just seems to get away with it and the longer Mueller takes the more 'normal' it all becomes and no-one bats an eyelid anymore.

If he loses to a Dem president in 2020 he's fked, otherwise the Republicans will pardon him. Although if he takes Pence with him as he goes, and Pelosi becomes president it'll be similar.

[Countdown]

Bill said:

If he loses to a Dem president in 2020 he's fked, otherwise the Republicans will pardon him. Although if he takes Pence with him as he goes, and Pelosi becomes president it'll be similar.

I don't think so. His ability to create a ststorm of lies, combined with how many genuinely crazy people support him, will make it too dangerous for anybody to have the desire or the energy to prosecute him.

Regardless of what colour of Politician gets elected, they will realise how divided the country is and how imperative the need is to heal and reconcile. Prosecuting him will result in a Nuclear stbomb exploding leaving radioactive fallout that will last for generations.

Incidentally the worst punishment for Trump would be to ignore him.

[Chimune]

So, if I was DT, around about now I'd be looking to divert the news cycle (again).

Perhaps by generating some unrest in another country. If this country was supported by Russia, I could demonstrate that I'm not in Putin pocket at the same time.

I could send some troops in to protect the legitimate people.
Russia could sail some boats close by, say the US are supporting a coup, and up the anti.

An quick missunderstanding or two and we have Cuba V2.0 - The Electric Bogaloo!

[anonymous-user]

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

(a) Contrived "health issue" to allow him to slink away without completely blowing up the GOP, should Mueller's report have serious implications?
(b) Can see prosecution for financial matters before candidate / presidential. Might be a way of securing outcome in (a)
(c) Yes

In addition, and only half jokingly, what about...

(d) Legging it to Russia and leaving his minions to take the fall*?

• in the legal rather than "from a hotel window" sense

[Bill]

Countdown said:

I don't think so. His ability to create a ststorm of lies, combined with how many genuinely crazy people support him, will make it too dangerous for anybody to have the desire or the energy to prosecute him.

Regardless of what colour of Politician gets elected, they will realise how divided the country is and how imperative the need is to heal and reconcile. Prosecuting him will result in a Nuclear stbomb exploding leaving radioactive fallout that will last for generations.

Incidentally the worst punishment for Trump would be to ignore him.

You may well be right.

I've just been reading up about Nixon and the republicans took a bit of a hit when they pardoned him. He then worked on rehabilitating himself, and ultimately succeeded.

I suspect there'd be a bigger hit pardoning Trump than there would be prosecuting him. He'll probably end up defecting to Russia and living out his years in a tower.

[ou sont les biscuits]

Chimune said:

So, if I was DT, around about now I'd be looking to divert the news cycle (again).

Perhaps by generating some unrest in another country. If this country was supported by Russia, I could demonstrate that I'm not in Putin pocket at the same time.

I could send some troops in to protect the legitimate people.
Russia could sail some boats close by, say the US are supporting a coup, and up the anti.

An quick missunderstanding or two and we have Cuba V2.0 - The Electric Bogaloo!

I think you might have meant 'Boogaloo'. That said, I suspect if that scenario comes to pass there will be more than a few people crapping themselves. Twice.

[Byker28i]

CNN are reporting that Michael Cohen was subpoenaed today to testify to Senate intelligence committee in mid-February, according to a source close to Cohen

[anonymous-user]

Byker28i said:

CNN are reporting that Michael Cohen was subpoenaed today to testify to Senate intelligence committee in mid-February, according to a source close to Cohen

And Avenatti is going ballistic saying this is a tactic to prevent him testifying in public having already postponed his testimony in the Stormy case.

They can keep this running for years.

[Byker28i]

The House has passed a Democratic-backed bill to provide funding for the Department of Homeland Security through February 28.

The bill passed in a 231-180 vote, with five Republicans joining Democrats

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/426756-house-pa...

[B'stard Child]

Countdown said:

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

^ Pretty much this.........

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

Countdown said:

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

^ Pretty much this.........

I agree.
I think he will probably lose, but it's by no means a dead cert.

[anonymous-user]

desolate said:

B'stard Child said:

Countdown said:

CAPP0 said:

Given that we're nearly halfway into Vol 6, what's the general consensus on the probability of him being

(a) removed from office by one means or another

and/or

(b) prosecuted

leading to

(c) jail time?

Remote chance of him losing in 2020 but that’s it
None
None

^ Pretty much this.........

I agree.
I think he will probably lose, but it's by no means a dead cert.

50%
25%
0%

Probability the US regains its mojo as leader of the free world within 6 months of a new administration 100%

[Halb]

There needs to be a decent Republican candidate, like Ted Kaisch run, and then Trump could lose.