45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

[paua]

Halb said:

There needs to be a decent Republican candidate, like Ted Kaisch run, and then Trump could lose.

When was the last time either party ran a new candidate against the incumbent?

[_dobbo_]

Has a sitting President ever been unseated by someone from their own party?

Will the GoP run someone against Trump?

[RobDickinson]

Bush sn didnt get a 2nd term because Clinton won , he did have someone stand against him from Republicans for nomination, so I am guessing they have to go through that process next year

[anonymous-user]

paua said:

Halb said:

There needs to be a decent Republican candidate, like Ted Kaisch run, and then Trump could lose.

When was the last time either party ran a new candidate against the incumbent?

Here's my one bit of American political history which I learned when an American colleague was appalled that Blair could just hand over PM to Brown mid term without an election. The Republican party was founded in 1854 in large part to oppose a pro slavery law enacted by the Democrats. The law was incredibly unpopular with voters in the northern states so the party deselected the President and chose someone who had been out of the country when the contentious law had come in, effectively giving him plausible deniability. In the end the Democrats won with their new candidate taking every pro slavery state and a few anti. So to answer your question I think 1854 or soon after..

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

Bush sn didnt get a 2nd term because Clinton won , he did have someone stand against him from Republicans for nomination, so I am guessing they have to go through that process next year

You're right, there will be primaries for the second term next year. Usually a bunch of jokers/single issue fruit cakes stand against the incumbent though...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Part...

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th January 22:42

[CypSIdders]

captain_cynic said:

Americans will be very reluctant to remove any sitting president because it sets a negative precedent as well as tarnishing the office of the president

Negative precedents and the tarnishing of the office all sailed a long time ago, on the USS Trump.

If he hasn't gone in to hiding or skipped the country, I think, the moment he's not POTUS he'll be arrested.

No doubt the orange tt's lawyers are all boning up on the Earnest Saunders defence, as we speak.

[Halb]

paua said:

Halb said:

There needs to be a decent Republican candidate, like Ted Kaisch run, and then Trump could lose.

When was the last time either party ran a new candidate against the incumbent?

1992.

_dobbo_ said:

Has a sitting President ever been unseated by someone from their own party?

Will the GoP run someone against Trump?

It's not for the GoP to decide, it's for any possible contenders who think they can win (or st stir). It;'s the US system.

[Halb]

RobDickinson said:

Bush sn didnt get a 2nd term because Clinton won , he did have someone stand against him from Republicans for nomination, so I am guessing they have to go through that process next year

People blame Ross (I don't hire men with beards) Perot for that, the last major outsider to scope YUGE numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_p...

[Countdown]

Halb said:

There needs to be a decent Republican candidate, like Ted Kaisch run, and then Trump could lose.

It would be political suicide for any member of the GOP to do that.

Firstly they would be up against Hardcore Trumpettes (and that’s a significant number of the GOP membership). Then there are those who genuinely agree with Trump’s business policies. They would also be up against those who don’t like Trump but want a Republican in power at all costs. That leaves only those GOP members who vote based on principles/behaviours/values.. There aren’t that many of those around IMHO.

[ralphrj]

_dobbo_ said:

Has a sitting President ever been unseated by someone from their own party?

Will the GoP run someone against Trump?

The way the US system works both the major parties hold their own elections (called Primaries) to select their candidate for Presidential election.

When the party already has a candidate in the White House then it is usually nothing more than a token series of elections.

However, there is nothing to stop another candidate making a proper challenge to the current President, especially when that President is highly unpopular.

Gerald Ford succeeded Richard Nixon as President in 1974 but was challenged for the 1976 Republican nomination by Ronald Reagan. Ford won narrowly but then lost the election to Jimmy Carter.

Lyndon B. Johnson succeeded John F. Kennedy after his assassination in 1963 and won the election in 1964 but was extremely unpopular by 1968, He came 4th in the New Hampshire Primary with only 5% of the votes. He withdrew from the race for the Democratic nomination as a result.

[anonymous-user]

ralphrj said:

_dobbo_ said:

Has a sitting President ever been unseated by someone from their own party?

Will the GoP run someone against Trump?

The way the US system works both the major parties hold their own elections (called Primaries) to select their candidate for Presidential election.

When the party already has a candidate in the White House then it is usually nothing more than a token series of elections.

However, there is nothing to stop another candidate making a proper challenge to the current President, especially when that President is highly unpopular.

Gerald Ford succeeded Richard Nixon as President in 1974 but was challenged for the 1976 Republican nomination by Ronald Reagan. Ford won narrowly but then lost the election to Jimmy Carter.

Lyndon B. Johnson succeeded John F. Kennedy after his assassination in 1963 and won the election in 1964 but was extremely unpopular by 1968, He came 4th in the New Hampshire Primary with only 5% of the votes. He withdrew from the race for the Democratic nomination as a result.

Look up Franklin Pierce.

[Byker28i]

Ted Cruz tried to blame the democrats for the shutdown yesterday. That was too much for Michael Bennet who ripped into Cruz for his crocodile tears
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/ted-c...

[Byker28i]

There is no GOP anymore, just the cult of trump.
The senate voted through trumps/miller/kushners proposal yesterday, but 3 republicans voted against, meaning it didn't have enough votes to be passed.
This is the bill that gives trump his $5.7bn for his wall, but puts huge, illegal, restrictions on asylum seekers
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426791-senate-...

[Byker28i]

so it looks like we're heading for trump declaring a national emergency so he can build his bit of his fence.

The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-...

trump needs to 'win' but this opens up a dangerous precedent, declaring a national emergency where there isn't one to pass spending.

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 25th January 08:19

[Byker28i]

Jared Kushner's application for a top secret clearance was rejected by two career W.H. security specialists after an FBI background check raised concerns about potential foreign influence on him but their supervisor overruled the recommendation.

Kushner's security clearance application was one of at least 30 cases in which W.H. official Carl Kline overruled career experts,

After reviewing Kushner's file, CIA officers who make clearance decisions balked. One called over to the W.H., wondering how Kushner got even a top secret clearance. Sources tell NBC the CIA has not granted Kushner clearance to review SCI material.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/offi...

[Boydie88]

Tulsi Gabbard getting involved in 2020

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1088548857...

[Nealio]

Byker28i said:

so it looks like we're heading for trump declaring a national emergency so he can build his bit of his fence.

The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-...

trump needs to 'win' but this opens up a dangerous precedent, declaring a national emergency where there isn't one to pass spending.

Edited by Byker28i on Friday 25th January 08:19

I was starting to think he was just going to use PL 85-804 to build the wall. I guess the donors don't like that idea though.

[minimoog]

Nealio said:

I was starting to think he was just going to use PL 85-804 to build the wall. I guess the donors don't like that idea though.

Declaring a fake national emergency and using powers intended for the defence of the nation to pander to his base would be truly pathetic, and therefore very Trump. Interested to see how that would pan out, should he go ahead with it, given the dangerous precedent it would set.

[Nealio]

minimoog said:

Nealio said:

I was starting to think he was just going to use PL 85-804 to build the wall. I guess the donors don't like that idea though.

Declaring a fake national emergency and using powers intended for the defence of the nation to pander to his base would be truly pathetic, and therefore very Trump. Interested to see how that would pan out, should he go ahead with it, given the dangerous precedent it would set.

He doesn't need to declare a national emergency to use it for the same reason Obama didn't need to do so when he used it in 2014 to indemnify USAID ebola workers in Africa. So the precedent has already been set.

edit: But like I said, I don't think he'll take this route anyway.

Edited by Nealio on Friday 25th January 09:45

[fatbutt]

There have been 20 mass shootings since 1st Jan '19. Not even considered news worthy at most outlets.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-sh...

56 people have been shot by police.

So lets call a national emergency to raise money to build a pointless wall.

My biggest issue with all of the noise Trump generates is that it dominates the news cycle. There are many issues coming to a head in the US, many of which Trump is making worse, however the issues themselves are not getting reported; just Trump.