45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

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Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Byker28i said:
Ahead of trumps El Paso rally, El Paso county commissioners passed a resolution complaining that Trump has "continuously made inaccurate claims about the US's southern border, including El Paso," and saying they're "disillusioned by Trump's lies regarding the border and our community
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna970256
The crowd chanted "lock her up" at trumps El Paso rally last night.
It's been 824 days since the election...

Statistics contradict Trump's claim about El Paso's border fencing. Violent crime was already on the downswing before the city's fencing was completed in 2009, and then it slightly increased after it was finished
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna969341

“El Paso was NEVER one of the MOST dangerous cities in the US,” El Paso Mayor Dee Margo, a Republican, tweeted after Trump’s State of the Union. “We‘ve had a fence for 10 years and it has impacted illegal immigration and curbed criminal activity. It is NOT the sole deterrent.

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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How many law suits does this make against trump? Even I've lost count

Cliff Sims, the ex-W.H. aide, is suing Trump in his official capacity, alleging that he used his campaign organization as a "cutout" to improperly seek retribution against former employees and keep them from invoking their First Amendment rights
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/us/politics/cli...

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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There's a butterfly refuge in Texas has been forced to court to stop trump building a wall through their land and to stop trespassing

https://www.texasobserver.org/butterfly-trump-rest...

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Don Jr is the co-trustee of the President’s trust, which is supposed to somehow guard against conflicts between his public career and his private business. He is appearing with the president at a political rally tonight

Mind you there's no separation as its also a revocable trust that says it “shall distribute net income or principal to Donald J. Trump at his request"

kowalski655

9,373 posts

93 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Pupp said:
Just listening to R4 and it is being reported that agreement has been reached on the wall funding so resumed govt shutdown likely avoided, but apparently the Tangoed controller might be unaware... will look for a link
Wait until Fox News declare that the deal isn't enough, then he will throw a tantrum and refuse to sign it

kowalski655

9,373 posts

93 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Byker28i said:
The crowd chanted "lock her up" at trumps El Paso rally last night.
It's been 824 days since the election...
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But Stone,Cohen,Flynn,Manafort,etc are all blokes... What a daft bunch smile

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Qatar are trying a trump. "Oh we had nothing to do with that", or a Saudi "we had nothing to do with Khashoggi"...

Reuters are reporting that Qatar is attempting to keep tighter control of its investments abroad after finding out it may have unwittingly helped bail out a Manhattan skyscraper owned by the family of Jared Kushner,
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-fund-kush...

Qatar loaned a significant amount of money to Jared Kushner in 2018, in the name of saving his skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan from going bankrupt. The question has been whether Kushner abused his White House position to ensure that the U.S. government gave Qatar favorable treatment in return, by ending a trade blockade.

Is this a sign that Qatar expects the Kushner pay-to-play scandal to be exposed soon and are trying to get ahead?

Speaking of Kushner, why does someone who is worth $300m need the trump campaign to pay his legal fees?
Acording to NBC, two payments of $55,330 and $42,574 have been paid to the law firm of Winston & Strawn, in payment of legal fees to Kushner’s counsel, Abbe Lowell who joined that firm in May of 2018.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-pai...

Not that this is unusual. $276,000 was paid by the campaign to Michael Cohen to satisfy his expenses in representing Trump himself, $590,000 to a firm representing Trump's former communications director Hope Hicks. The Trump campaign has expended almost $7 million in legal fees in the past two years.

Using campaign funds as his own piggy bank?

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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kowalski655 said:
Byker28i said:
The crowd chanted "lock her up" at trumps El Paso rally last night.
It's been 824 days since the election...
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But Stone,Cohen,Flynn,Manafort,etc are all blokes... What a daft bunch smile
trump moved into more bullst mode as well. “As I was walking up to the stage, they said that progress is being made with this committee. Just so you know, we’re building the wall anyway.”
"We’re building it right now. We don’t even say build the wall anymore. We say finish the wall because we’ve built a lot and we’re renovating a tremendous amount..."

Last nights rally was trump saying these same things as a candidate three years ago. It is almost as if he hasn't been president for 2 years and had control over his own foreign policy.

"We want to spend money in OUR country", "We want to bring our troops home. It's time" , "I didn't save our country. You know who saved our country? You saved our country...God",

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 12th February 08:20

Gameface

11,430 posts

27 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Pupp said:
I think this is a huge mistake from the Democrats.

Despite their noble reasoning that it heads off another shut down, Trump will scream that he's won and that he's the greatest president ever etc.

His support won't notice or care how little money they've actually given him.

It makes the Democrats look weak and Trump look strong.

The vast majority of the country blamed Trump (after he said he'd own the shutdown etc) and his polling nosedived, so they should've hung him out to dry.




Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Gameface said:
Pupp said:
I think this is a huge mistake from the Democrats.

Despite their noble reasoning that it heads off another shut down, Trump will scream that he's won and that he's the greatest president ever etc.

His support won't notice or care how little money they've actually given him.

It makes the Democrats look weak and Trump look strong.

The vast majority of the country blamed Trump (after he said he'd own the shutdown etc) and his polling nosedived, so they should've hung him out to dry.
Interesting reporting because yesterday the funding agreed was not to be spent on a new wall but on improving/replacing existing structures.
The dems were also trying to get an agreed cap on immigration detention numbers because trump admin are ignoring the previously agreed cap by almost 10K

Lets also remember that this is a significant climbdown by trump if he signs it off. He'll have to spin this somehow as a win, lets face it he wanted $25bn, then $5.7bn, now only $1bn for improvements not new fencing, and Mexico arent paying.

https://us.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 12th February 08:57

Gameface

11,430 posts

27 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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It will be seen/spun as the the Democrats caving, I assure you.

Trump is already saying the wall is being built when it's not FFS. And that's with no agreement and no funding!

What will he be like once they've given him some money, even it's just supposed to be for renovations?

He'll be even more insufferable. He will see it as HUGE win and it will be spun as such.

Mexico were supposed to be paying for the whole thing remember! No-one seems to care about that anymore. Who's going to care if the money is for renovations?

Although another shutdown would be unpalatable, it would seriously damage Trump.

Huge own goal by the Democrats.

I'd be furious if I was an American democrat today.

Aphex

2,160 posts

150 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Good to see my favourite conspiracy thread is still going strong biggrin

Gameface

11,430 posts

27 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Please elaborate.

Tony33

653 posts

72 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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kowalski655 said:
Pupp said:
Just listening to R4 and it is being reported that agreement has been reached on the wall funding so resumed govt shutdown likely avoided, but apparently the Tangoed controller might be unaware... will look for a link
Wait until Fox News declare that the deal isn't enough, then he will throw a tantrum and refuse to sign it
Indeed. "Garbage compromise" according to Hannity before warning Republicans not to endorse it or they will have to explain. Forgot he was in charge.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/governme...

_dobbo_

11,713 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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BBC cameraman attacked by MAGA hat goon at the El Paso rally, after Trump and other speakers spent ages riling up the crowd about fake news.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4720890...

Countdown

25,614 posts

146 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Gameface said:
It will be seen/spun as the the Democrats caving, I assure you.
Agreed.

Something along the lines of "I told you we were building it anyway and now even the Dems have accepted it's going to happen......Promised made, promises kept!"

This is why the Dems will lose in 2020. Trump has his core supporters under some kind of spell where whatever he says is "True".

Challo

5,257 posts

105 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Countdown said:
Gameface said:
It will be seen/spun as the the Democrats caving, I assure you.
Agreed.

Something along the lines of "I told you we were building it anyway and now even the Dems have accepted it's going to happen......Promised made, promises kept!"

This is why the Dems will lose in 2020. Trump has his core supporters under some kind of spell where whatever he says is "True".
With Trump willing to bullst and lie about anything, then no matter what the Dems do he will claim as a win. Even if the Dems said no money for anything he would claim its being built.

Gameface

11,430 posts

27 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Challo said:
Countdown said:
Gameface said:
It will be seen/spun as the the Democrats caving, I assure you.
Agreed.

Something along the lines of "I told you we were building it anyway and now even the Dems have accepted it's going to happen......Promised made, promises kept!"

This is why the Dems will lose in 2020. Trump has his core supporters under some kind of spell where whatever he says is "True".
With Trump willing to bullst and lie about anything, then no matter what the Dems do he will claim as a win. Even if the Dems said no money for anything he would claim its being built.
Can't lie about the government being shutdown.


captain_cynic

5,382 posts

45 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Challo said:
With Trump willing to bullst and lie about anything, then no matter what the Dems do he will claim as a win. Even if the Dems said no money for anything he would claim its being built.
Ultimately Trumps bullst train doesn't matter. He's already committed the cardinal sin of raising income taxes and taking from the pocket of average Americans... That he's done so to give his rich mates a break will only give the Dems more ammo come election time. For this, he's eliminated his chance of re-election.

There are very few true Trumpettes, in 2016 he won not because people wanted to vote for him, but because they wanted to vote against Hillary. His disastrous mid-terms are proof of this.

It'll only take one state to go blue next election and he'll lose enough electoral collage votes that he won't be able to stay in power.

Byker28i

21,862 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Agreed, there's a lot of trouble brewing over those who haven't had their tax refunds yet because of the shutdown, and those who have found they are significantly worse off.
8.4% down is the average.
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