45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of s
t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Cool, happy to be corrected, got a source for how many were outside?t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.As for figures and reporting - trump lied consistently about his crowd size, that cannot be denied
trump said:
"there has never been anything like this in the history of our country. If you would say, as an example, that tonight 69,000 people signed up to be here," he said. "Now the arena holds 8,000. And thank you, Fire Department. They got in about 10,000. Thank you, Fire Department. Appreciate it."
The fire department says Trump's statement was untrue.
Fire Department spokesman Enrique Aguilar told the El Paso Times on Monday that Trump did not receive permission to exceed the limit and that there were 6,500 people inside the building during the president's rally. The coliseum holds about 6,500 people. There were thousands more watching Trump's speech on big screens outside the facility.
Aguilar added that "it might be 10,000 with the people outside," but said that the Fire Department didn't track the number of people outside of the coliseum
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/trump-el...
El Paso also said the event was full of only 6500 people, not the 10,000 trump claimed.
https://eu.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2019/02/11/t...
Trump mocked O'Rourke's turnout saying it was 200, 300 people.
Trump described O’Rourke as "a young man who's got very little going for himself, except he's got a great first name." Trump added, "He challenged us. So we had, let's say 35,000 people tonight and he has 200 people, 300 people. Not too good.
the Texas Tribune reporters in El Paso wrote that "about 7,000 people went to see O'Rourke speak at the park, according to an aide, who cited law enforcement."
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement...
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 13th February 09:49
Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of st to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Cool, happy to be corrected, got a source for how many were outside?t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.Boydie88 said:
Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of st to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Cool, happy to be corrected, got a source for how many were outside?t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of st to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Cool, happy to be corrected, got a source for how many were outside?t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.vonuber said:
deckster said:
Perhaps you can explain what bearing that has on him being blackmailed by associates of the President of the USA?
Sure. Just because he has been doesn't make him suddenly a figure of virtue.Nevertheless, the assets of AMI include whatever's in the spiked-story safe, including details of some Trump indiscretions. If there's any real wobbliness about AMI's health, whoever gets to buy up the desks and chairs would get an interesting bonus. (Although I'd expect the shredding machines to be busy on the last day.)
Gameface said:
It will be seen/spun as the the Democrats caving, I assure you.
Trump is already saying the wall is being built when it's not FFS. And that's with no agreement and no funding!
What will he be like once they've given him some money, even it's just supposed to be for renovations?
He'll be even more insufferable. He will see it as HUGE win and it will be spun as such.
Mexico were supposed to be paying for the whole thing remember! No-one seems to care about that anymore. Who's going to care if the money is for renovations?
Although another shutdown would be unpalatable, it would seriously damage Trump.
Huge own goal by the Democrats.
I'd be furious if I was an American democrat today.
Sorry to rewind on this but,Trump is already saying the wall is being built when it's not FFS. And that's with no agreement and no funding!
What will he be like once they've given him some money, even it's just supposed to be for renovations?
He'll be even more insufferable. He will see it as HUGE win and it will be spun as such.
Mexico were supposed to be paying for the whole thing remember! No-one seems to care about that anymore. Who's going to care if the money is for renovations?
Although another shutdown would be unpalatable, it would seriously damage Trump.
Huge own goal by the Democrats.
I'd be furious if I was an American democrat today.
In December 2018, Congress agrees a deal to keep the government open which included $1.6B for the trump fence fund.
trump wasn't happy with this, wanted his $5.7bn so shut down the government
Now congress have agree a deal to keep the government open, without going to trump and it's only got $1.3B for border security, improvements to existing barriers, not trump fence fund
Thats not winning?
Boydie88 said:
Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Byker28i said:
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of st to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Cool, happy to be corrected, got a source for how many were outside?t to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.There's no idea how many were outside for trump - some, but nowhere near the 69,000 he claimed had signed up to attend.
Boydie88 said:
Use your eyes mate.
With respect, you've posted a graphic that has clearly been generated by someone. You've provided no sources that back up the graphic. No credits to the photographers, not information about at what point during the two events the photos of the crowds were taken. For example, for the Trump rally that might have been taken mid speech, while for Beto's rally the picture taken early on as people were arriving. One should use more than their eyes, and use their brain too.
Boydie88 said:
Conveniently ignoring the 1000s outside in an attempt to beat Beto's numbers? There is plenty of st to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.
Why didn't you post the source of your imaget to attack Trump on, attacking what it demonstrably false isn't the way to go.https://twitter.com/alx
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He has a better video of the outside crowd
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095148377149460481
Looks quite big, say 5000?
esxste said:
With respect, you've posted a graphic that has clearly been generated by someone. You've provided no sources that back up the graphic. No credits to the photographers, not information about at what point during the two events the photos of the crowds were taken. For example, for the Trump rally that might have been taken mid speech, while for Beto's rally the picture taken early on as people were arriving.
One should use more than their eyes, and use their brain too.
Thanks. Saved me posting it.One should use more than their eyes, and use their brain too.
69000 people.
Byker28i said:
So it's ok for trump to lie about his numbers, lie about O'Rourkes numbers and not be challenged on it?
There's no idea how many were outside for trump - some, but nowhere near the 69,000 he claimed had signed up to attend.
By all means let Trump make a mug of himself with the numbers and call it out but don't join in and do the same with Beto's.There's no idea how many were outside for trump - some, but nowhere near the 69,000 he claimed had signed up to attend.
The point of the image is the under layer of Google maps. It's not hard to see Trump clearly had more than Beto.
See above for the source of your information, I bothered to do the research for you, not just nick it off a reddit post.
And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
But then we start look ing at Beto O'Rourke's crowd, not just on the images you posted
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095214201377775617
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095175390937534464
Looks an equally or bigger crowd outside
And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
But then we start look ing at Beto O'Rourke's crowd, not just on the images you posted
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095214201377775617
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095175390937534464
Looks an equally or bigger crowd outside
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 13th February 10:14
Byker28i said:
See above for the source of your information, I bothered to do the research for you, not just nick it off a reddit post.
And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
It's really very difficult to win with a person like Trump. You tell the truth he'll lie about you and if you lie it feeds his fake news narrative.And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
The democrats need to get serious and expose him and his family personally and without mercy.
Byker28i said:
See above for the source of your information, I bothered to do the research for you, not just nick it off a reddit post.
And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
Thanks for something I already knew?And yes in hindsight it looks like trump drew a bigger crowd because of those outside. However, that doesn't excuse the lies told by trump over his and Beto's crowd size of which were easily challenged
Nor does it excuse the lies told over Beto's crowd. Beat him with policies, rather than playing the man at his own game.
Boydie88 said:
Thanks for something I already knew?
Nor does it excuse the lies told over Beto's crowd. Beat him with policies, rather than playing the man at his own game.
Or play his own game better than him. His core don't really give a fNor does it excuse the lies told over Beto's crowd. Beat him with policies, rather than playing the man at his own game.
k about policies as long as he ain't liberal.Byker28i said:
So it's ok for trump to lie about his numbers, lie about O'Rourkes numbers and not be challenged on it?
There's no idea how many were outside for trump - some, but nowhere near the 69,000 he claimed had signed up to attend.
Signing up to attending an event isn't the same as attending the event. I signed up to attend an event today but I've not gone for various reasons. The organizer can add 1 to that count but can't add 1 to the attendee count.There's no idea how many were outside for trump - some, but nowhere near the 69,000 he claimed had signed up to attend.
I also expect that there is probably a system in place to bolster the number of sign ups using false registrations etc
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