45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
IanH755 said:
If you don't live in an echo chamber of "Orange man bad" it isn't, but seeing more than one single view is hard to do so I understand why so many don't put the effort it.
I would genuinely love to see reasons why "Orange man Good". Despite genuinely looking I haven't seen anything. However, when you look at the beliefs or views held by a significant part of those that voted from Trump, it's quite easy to see why they would vote for him and why his numbers are so high.IanH755 said:
walm said:
My link was a from poll aggregation.
But it's moot - he remains remarkably popular by any measure, I think...
It is frankly astonishing.
If you don't live in an echo chamber of "Orange man bad" it isn't, but seeing more than one single view is hard to do so I understand why so many don't put the effort it. But it's moot - he remains remarkably popular by any measure, I think...
It is frankly astonishing.
Byker28i said:
The federal budget deficit in December totaled $13.5 billion, helping to push the deficit for the first three months of this budget year up 41.8 percent from the same period the previous year.
The Treasury Department said Wednesday that the budget deficit from October through December totals $318.9 billion, up from a deficit of $225 billion for the same three months in the previous year
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/u-s-budget-de...
Stupid socialists spending money they don't have.The Treasury Department said Wednesday that the budget deficit from October through December totals $318.9 billion, up from a deficit of $225 billion for the same three months in the previous year
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/u-s-budget-de...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47283737
Apparently it's also "illegal and treasonous" to discuss applying part of the constitution?!
IanH755 said:
If you don't live in an echo chamber of "Orange man bad" it isn't, but seeing more than one single view is hard to do so I understand why so many don't put the effort it.
I suppose that depends on what one’s own criteria is for considering ‘orange man bad’.There is so much that’s unacceptable about him that it is hard to know where to start - and almost impossible to finish, but I think the treason ought to do for most? However, he is still there after, just as one example, his public humiliation at the hands of his boss Putin in Helsinki.
We’ll see in the next months and years whether the USA has the integrity to properly deal with this lifelong criminal and learn from the mistakes made. Frankly, I am not totally confident this is going to go well. I’d expected better, it’s sad to see a once widely-respected country so publicly tearing itself apart like this.
walm said:
I wanted to disagree with that assertion but then I found this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva...
Which shows he is on 42% approve vs around 44% when he took office.
WTjudderingF?
It’s more a measure of how many Americans would support a Republican simply because he is a Republican. American politics is incredibly tribal. Which shows he is on 42% approve vs around 44% when he took office.
WTjudderingF?
IanH755 said:
walm said:
My link was a from poll aggregation.
But it's moot - he remains remarkably popular by any measure, I think...
It is frankly astonishing.
If you don't live in an echo chamber of "Orange man bad" it isn't, but seeing more than one single view is hard to do so I understand why so many don't put the effort it. But it's moot - he remains remarkably popular by any measure, I think...
It is frankly astonishing.
And, to an extent, I understand that you can forgive a LOT if all you want is to ban immigrants, to overturn Roe vs Wade or just have a right wing supreme court or some other over-riding single issue...
BUT... what astonishes me is that since he took office you would think he has done so much harm that anybody who approved of him as "an alternative candidate" or just "not Hillary" might have shifted into the disapprove box by now.
However, that appears not to have happened.
Either - those people did shift to disapprove but have been replaced by new approvers (who? Seriously... who?) OR they haven't shifted and truly 40-50% of the country would rather be Russian than a Democrat or [insert ridiculous tribal issue here].
I was under the impression that:
- He had 80% support from Republicans but a bunch of them are quitting the party.
- Even "the base" is a little narked with tax rises, trade tariffs putting prices up, incessant golfing, rampant incompetence, losing the house etc...
But no, the base appears not to GaF.
It's bizarre.
paulguitar said:
I suppose that depends on what one’s own criteria is for considering ‘orange man bad’.
There is so much that’s unacceptable about him that it is hard to know where to start - and almost impossible to finish, but I think the treason ought to do for most? However, he is still there after, just as one example, his public humiliation at the hands of his boss Putin in Helsinki.
We’ll see in the next months and years whether the USA has the integrity to properly deal with this lifelong criminal and learn from the mistakes made. Frankly, I am not totally confident this is going to go well. I’d expected better, it’s sad to see a once widely-respected country so publicly tearing itself apart like this.
And there ladies and gents is the echo chamber. You are utterly convinced that your singular view of Trump is the only view that can be right, yet Trumps approval keeps rising so that means that you're wrong compared to the voting Americans who actually matter. There is so much that’s unacceptable about him that it is hard to know where to start - and almost impossible to finish, but I think the treason ought to do for most? However, he is still there after, just as one example, his public humiliation at the hands of his boss Putin in Helsinki.
We’ll see in the next months and years whether the USA has the integrity to properly deal with this lifelong criminal and learn from the mistakes made. Frankly, I am not totally confident this is going to go well. I’d expected better, it’s sad to see a once widely-respected country so publicly tearing itself apart like this.
Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
I find those in echo Chambers on both sides to be the hardest to have a discussion with due to the myopic way they deal with a situation when a little "see it from both sides" can make a conversation much more interesting.
IanH755 said:
Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
If we just isolate this part for the moment - there are a few posters on here who seem to think it's impossible that he wins, but a number also think that not only is it possible but also probable. However it's simply not possible to say that nothing will come from the investigations. Lots of concrete stuff has already been exposed. Right at the very heart of Team Trump. So it's there and exposed for all to see,
Yet still people "approve" of him - despite the truth being exposed. They simply don't care as something else is more important to them than the festering filth that is Team Trump. That's quite astonishing.
IanH755 said:
Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
I am not sure anyone thinks it isn't a distinct possibility.His re-election is very much a possibility, IMHO.
IanH755 said:
And there ladies and gents is the echo chamber. You are utterly convinced that your singular view of Trump is the only view that can be right, yet Trumps approval keeps rising so that means that you're wrong compared to the voting Americans who actually matter.
Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
I find those in echo Chambers on both sides to be the hardest to have a discussion with due to the myopic way they deal with a situation when a little "see it from both sides" can make a conversation much more interesting.
Crikey, this post is so illogical it is hard to even know where to start.Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
I find those in echo Chambers on both sides to be the hardest to have a discussion with due to the myopic way they deal with a situation when a little "see it from both sides" can make a conversation much more interesting.
IanH755 said:
You are utterly convinced that your singular view of Trump is the only view that can be right, yet Trumps approval keeps rising so that means that you're wrong compared to the voting Americans who actually matter.
Amazing. What does this even mean? Is trump’s approval rating some kind of indication of whether or not he conspired/colluded and is now taking orders from Putin?Oh, and his approval rating not rising, either.
IanH755 said:
Imagine how you're going to feel if/when nothing comes from the various investigations and Trump wins re-election because in your singular view that's impossible, yet to those willing to look at all angles it's a distinct possibility.
Kindly point out where I said that. I said ‘Frankly, I am not totally confident this is going to go well’. I think genuinely possible that if Mueller is not done before the next election, trump could get back in. it’s staggering to say it, but it’s genuinely a possibility.The facts are the facts, and we won’t know the full extent of it until Mueller completes his work. In the meantime, we have the well documented criminal activities and prison sentences being handed out to those in trump’s immediate orbit.
p1stonhead said:
He's done well. I gave him two days before he broke the gag order, but he's managed 4?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff