45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Ructions said:
Worryingly 4 in 10 do actually believe there is an emergency at the southern border. How anyone can believe anything the orange man baby says is completely baffling.
I'd say not quite 4 in 10 if they did their survey correctly. A number of people should have answered "don't know".Gameface said:
Sarah Hukabee?
I meant Bernie Sanders.Greg66 said:
Byker28i said:
trump ramps up next campaign team (or next jail birds?) seeing as his old campaign team are either in jail or heading there
Yes, funny how that ad doesn't say "Successful candidates will have a disregard for the law, and can expect to be indicted at some point after 2020". Slaav said:
Has nobody tweeted and asked what happened to the last/old campaign team? After all, they did help Trump achieve 'probably the greatest ever' campaign leading to 'the greatest ever Presidential victory ever'?
Well, his Campaign Chairman, Deputy Chairman, National Security Advisor, Foreign Policy Advisor, Personal Lawyer, long term developer and assistant Bayrock owner, have all been indicted or pled guilty.Thats not including investigations into trump transition team, trump campaign team, trump administration, trump organisation, trump foundation and trump inauguration committee, all designed to put money into trumps pocket.
IanH755 said:
Leaving the echo chamber and trying to see things from more than one side is hard and I understand why many don't make the effort required but I prefer to make the effort rather than allowing myself to be blind-sided.
I think you are painting this thread as an echo chamber because it suits your narrative. A lot of this thread is direct tweets from trump with fact checking, for example, or full copies of text from other senior figures in american politics. There are also frequent mentions of how nothing appears to be touching his base, and various theories as to why. I think most here are resigned to the fact that he is going to be President for some time yet.
Being incredulous at him, his actions, the people around him and their actions, and his base and their actions is not the same as not understanding why people support him.
I think we all understand he has support because he mostly owns the narrative, stays rigidly on message, fosters mistrust and hatred to those who criticise him and plays a very simple, very effective blame game.
Edited by gregs656 on Tuesday 19th February 16:46
Byker28i said:
Well, his Campaign Chairman, Deputy Chairman, National Security Advisor, Foreign Policy Advisor, Personal Lawyer, long term developer and assistant Bayrock owner, have all been indicted or pled guilty.
Given it's all just a witch hunt... that's a coven he's got going over there.
desolate said:
The reason for my posts is to genuinely try to understand the positives of what Trump is doing.
There is no question that people are losing their s
t over him, and that this is being used against them.
My point is it's my belief that Trump is not delivering on what he promised and that it's all divisive rhetorical bullst.
So apart from winding up liberals and appealing to racists what has he actually done?
As mentioned tax cuts and immigration are huge things to a lot of his supporters.There is no question that people are losing their s
t over him, and that this is being used against them.My point is it's my belief that Trump is not delivering on what he promised and that it's all divisive rhetorical bulls
t. So apart from winding up liberals and appealing to racists what has he actually done?
Been in charge of the best jobless rates in 70 years or something around that.
Standing up to liberals and calling them out (depends on your view, but many people agree).
Standing up to climate change myth that is losing many people jobs and money (again, most on here will disagree but his supporters agree - and just look at most of NP&E posters...).
Standing up to China on the trade stuff - of course it affects Americans, but given jobless stats now doesn't seem to be much of an issue. And someone needed to take on China's stealing of western tech (one of his few things I generally agree with personally although hard to know real impacts).
Combining stuff like China trade, anti-global warming etc = strong leader and willing to stand up for US on political global level. Same goes for calling out the cheap European countries that just rely on American soldiers to protect them....
You need to focus on different issues, and have different views on what is correct to see the reasons for supporting him.
NRS said:
desolate said:
The reason for my posts is to genuinely try to understand the positives of what Trump is doing.
There is no question that people are losing their st over him, and that this is being used against them.
My point is it's my belief that Trump is not delivering on what he promised and that it's all divisive rhetorical bullst.
So apart from winding up liberals and appealing to racists what has he actually done?
As mentioned tax cuts and immigration are huge things to a lot of his supporters.There is no question that people are losing their s
t over him, and that this is being used against them.My point is it's my belief that Trump is not delivering on what he promised and that it's all divisive rhetorical bulls
t. So apart from winding up liberals and appealing to racists what has he actually done?
Been in charge of the best jobless rates in 70 years or something around that.
Standing up to liberals and calling them out (depends on your view, but many people agree).
Standing up to climate change myth that is losing many people jobs and money (again, most on here will disagree but his supporters agree - and just look at most of NP&E posters...).
Standing up to China on the trade stuff - of course it affects Americans, but given jobless stats now doesn't seem to be much of an issue. And someone needed to take on China's stealing of western tech (one of his few things I generally agree with personally although hard to know real impacts).
Combining stuff like China trade, anti-global warming etc = strong leader and willing to stand up for US on political global level. Same goes for calling out the cheap European countries that just rely on American soldiers to protect them....
You need to focus on different issues, and have different views on what is correct to see the reasons for supporting him.
The reason people are supporting him are clear as day... They hate the other people so much they'll support anyone. His popularity is based entirely on hate and that blinds them to his incompetence.
You need to focus on what Trump is actually doing, rather than the fantasy of what his supporters have.
captain_cynic said:
So he's anti-science, protectionist and doesn't care what damage it does. In the mean time he's presided over increasing debt, a weakening dollar and a diminishing economy. He's given tax cuts to the rich and increased the tax burden on the working and middle classes.
The reason people are supporting him are clear as day... They hate the other people so much they'll support anyone. His popularity is based entirely on hate and that blinds them to his incompetence.
You need to focus on what Trump is actually doing, rather than the fantasy of what his supporters have.
This. In spades. The reason people are supporting him are clear as day... They hate the other people so much they'll support anyone. His popularity is based entirely on hate and that blinds them to his incompetence.
You need to focus on what Trump is actually doing, rather than the fantasy of what his supporters have.
What amazes me is the debt burden that he seemed to promise to clear in his first term. He even thought that the Dow increasing was paying the debt down!
22 trillion and counting.
Seventy said:
IanH755 said:
...however your dislike for Trump also blinds you to the reasons why his approval rating IS increasing, despite you saying it's not which is, again, a blindness you have because your dislike for him stops you seeing a fact.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva... - over that last three and a half weeks this aggregate site says his approval has gone from 39.3% to 41.8% - even you must be able to agree that those numbers show an increase, making my statement correct. However I understand that you'll claim a different time period to prove your point too.
Sorry for the snip, but...https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva... - over that last three and a half weeks this aggregate site says his approval has gone from 39.3% to 41.8% - even you must be able to agree that those numbers show an increase, making my statement correct. However I understand that you'll claim a different time period to prove your point too.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva...
If you are going to make a sweeping statement that his approval has increased at least show the whole story.
Apology accepted.
IanH755 said:
Leaving the echo chamber and trying to see things from more than one side is hard and I understand why many don't make the effort required but I prefer to make the effort rather than allowing myself to be blind-sided.
I try to primarily base my views on trump on what he says and what he does. I find that by doing that I almost always end up having a very negative view. That’s because almost everything he says is either insane, embarrassing or insulting, and almost everything he does is the same. He repeatedly takes credit for anything that looks positive and blames anyone else for anything that doesn’t.He's lied 8,000 times in 2 years.
8,000
This thread gets accused a lot of being an echo chamber, but I don’t think that is the case. What we have here is a lot of people, many/most of them well educated and well informed and mostly politically neutral regarding the scene in the USA due to most not being American. It indeed happens to be overwhelmingly negative about trump. Perhaps that’s because he is an incompetent, lazy, insufferable, shallow, vapid t
t?
Drain that swamp!!
Trump wanted top ally in charge of Cohen probe: report - https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/430611...
Trump wanted top ally in charge of Cohen probe: report - https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/430611...
captain_cynic said:
So he's anti-science, protectionist and doesn't care what damage it does. In the mean time he's presided over increasing debt, a weakening dollar and a diminishing economy. He's given tax cuts to the rich and increased the tax burden on the working and middle classes.
The reason people are supporting him are clear as day... They hate the other people so much they'll support anyone. His popularity is based entirely on hate and that blinds them to his incompetence.
You need to focus on what Trump is actually doing, rather than the fantasy of what his supporters have.
That's applying judgement, not applying what many people agree with, and therefore support him. Which is what the original question was about. The reason people are supporting him are clear as day... They hate the other people so much they'll support anyone. His popularity is based entirely on hate and that blinds them to his incompetence.
You need to focus on what Trump is actually doing, rather than the fantasy of what his supporters have.
Also some of those stuff are not even "good" examples of Trump doing badly - protectionism against people stealing tech developed in your country is a good thing IMO. Weakening dollar is good for a lot of stuff - since it is from a high - you destroy your exports if it is too strong. Germany is an excellent example, where by linking itself to weak European economies in the Euro it weakens Germany's currency artificially and so helps their exports a lot. How do you measure diminishing economy exactly? Not much suggests the economy has got weaker under Trump. Only weakness I would say is the possible effects of trade war (not much has happened there on a large scale, as shown in the stats - not random articles about a farmer somewhere) and the increasing debt - which is future effect, not not.
It's amazing how much people twist stuff to suit their own viewpoint (this goes for both sides). Or how they fail to see the "other side" actually views someone as being productive, just because they don't measure "doing stuff" in the same way.
Under trump the economy appears to be proceeding along pretty much exactly how Obama left it, IE in healthy state. Of course, Obama had inherited the worst economic situation since the great depression, trump has inherited a solid sate of affairs. He has also added considerably to the deficit, despite saying he could pay it off, and it had to be explained to him that you can't just print money.
Something that consistently amazes me though, is that anyone even has time to think about things like the economy when the ‘president’ is looking and acting more and more guilty on a daily basis of being a Russian plant. I am assuming that if and when the whole sorry situation is finally revealed that folks probably won't really remember how the dollar was doing…
Something that consistently amazes me though, is that anyone even has time to think about things like the economy when the ‘president’ is looking and acting more and more guilty on a daily basis of being a Russian plant. I am assuming that if and when the whole sorry situation is finally revealed that folks probably won't really remember how the dollar was doing…
Edited by paulguitar on Tuesday 19th February 22:59
Kinky said:
Its just suddenly struck me that we've not heard from the gaffemieister himself, Rudy Giuliani.
I wonder if he has 'mysteriously' disappeared? Or has he been ordered not to publicly comment on any of the multitude of legal 'challenges' that the Orange one finds himself with?
He who keeps putting his foot in his mouth has run out of feet. I wonder if he has 'mysteriously' disappeared? Or has he been ordered not to publicly comment on any of the multitude of legal 'challenges' that the Orange one finds himself with?
Seventy said:
Drain that swamp!!
Trump wanted top ally in charge of Cohen probe: report - https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/430611...
More swamp news.Trump wanted top ally in charge of Cohen probe: report - https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/430611...
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross violated his ethics agreement and submitted a financial disclosure form that “was not accurate,” according to the Office of Government Ethics. Ross reported he had sold bank stock that other reports indicate he did not sell
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