45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
TTmonkey said:
Concerned for Byker28i. No sign for hours.
Has he imploded....?
Has he imploded....?
Countdown said:
FN2TypeR said:
Probably. 
However, nothing on this topic will ever, ever top unrepentant and his year long carry on against Trump, Trumpites and his predictions regarding the election outcome and then his immediate, subsequent disappearance. Sure, the media was calling for Hillary, but not like he was, his grandstanding and carrying on was next level stuff, abusive, superior and down right rude.
Im 30, nearly 31, so I have grown up well and truly surrounded and embedded in the modern internet culture; social media, forums, video games etc etc, but that flounce is a solid contender for the most excellent thing that I have ever witnessed on the internet, it was
hilarious, disgraceful and cringe worthy all at once. 10/10.
His predictions of the outcome of the election were wrong (just). However his view of Trump as a slimeball par excellence has been proved, time and again. The man is a turd, the sooner he leaves Public office the better.However, nothing on this topic will ever, ever top unrepentant and his year long carry on against Trump, Trumpites and his predictions regarding the election outcome and then his immediate, subsequent disappearance. Sure, the media was calling for Hillary, but not like he was, his grandstanding and carrying on was next level stuff, abusive, superior and down right rude.
Im 30, nearly 31, so I have grown up well and truly surrounded and embedded in the modern internet culture; social media, forums, video games etc etc, but that flounce is a solid contender for the most excellent thing that I have ever witnessed on the internet, it was
hilarious, disgraceful and cringe worthy all at once. 10/10.
Wow, I've flounced, I'm repugnant,abusive, superior and downright rude? Just by posting links to news items?
I presume Mueller would say something if the report was being completely misrepresented. And it would/will likely come out anyway. So I can't see Barr just making stuff up about there being no collusion if the report says differently. It looks like Trump is a pretty morally dodgy person (as we always knew) but wasn't involved in collusion (at least knowingly) with the Russians. Not too surprising, as I'd suspect even Trump would know the potential fallout from that would take him down. I suspect the building links etc were all him assuming he can run his business despite a potential conflict of interest - but no one seemed to strongly care about that even with the main businesses. By which I mean he didn't resign when he became president, and although some people complained it didn't seem to affect him.
I can only see Trump being taken out once the economy gets hit by the recession/crash, whenever it hits. Of course a lot of the association from Mueller's work would normally damage a president, but the way it has happened then it is viewed as a Trump win. This will likely mean those wavering about voting for him will not hold the other morally suspect stuff against him, as from what we know there was no big smoking gun about collusion, which is what was portrayed by much of the media. So it's seen as "I was right" and it was just a witch hunt. Rather than "You have lots of dodgy associations" which normally would be really bad. Yet again the assumed result from media and those against him likely strengthens Trump in the end/ reduces the damage.
I can only see Trump being taken out once the economy gets hit by the recession/crash, whenever it hits. Of course a lot of the association from Mueller's work would normally damage a president, but the way it has happened then it is viewed as a Trump win. This will likely mean those wavering about voting for him will not hold the other morally suspect stuff against him, as from what we know there was no big smoking gun about collusion, which is what was portrayed by much of the media. So it's seen as "I was right" and it was just a witch hunt. Rather than "You have lots of dodgy associations" which normally would be really bad. Yet again the assumed result from media and those against him likely strengthens Trump in the end/ reduces the damage.
Prolex-UK said:
Barr is Trumps man so what we have heard so far is expected.
I suspect when the full document is released the unvarnished interpretation will make interesting reading
Barr sent an unsolicited 20-page memo last June to the DOJ that excoriated Mueller's probe of whether Trump obstructed justice, saying it was based on a "fatally misconceived theory"I suspect when the full document is released the unvarnished interpretation will make interesting reading
NRS said:
So I can't see Barr just making stuff up about there being no collusion if the report says differently.
Well some commentators are suggesting the devil is in the words Barr used, such as no evidence of Trump conspiring with the Russian government i.e. government officials. Which is different from saying no conspiracy with Russian bad actors in general, who may be working at arms length to maintain a measure of plausible deniability.Another aspect is getting your spin out there first because the media will lap it up and regurgitate it and it becomes the de facto truth, even if it's not quite what the report says, or it leaves out large parts of the report's conclusions.
Reports are that the White House is 'jubilant' and you can see why. I don't think anyone with a level head will deny this is a massive, massive victory for Trump and he may well ride into a second term on the back of it. Dems though will try and get the full report so there's interesting stuff ahead yet I'm sure.
I'm wondering if Barr ordered Mueller to end the investigation now with matters outstanding and questions unasked. I'm wary of clutching at straws, but it seems a possibility.
minimoog said:
I'm wondering if Barr ordered Mueller to end the investigation now with matters outstanding and questions unasked. I'm wary of clutching at straws, but it seems a possibility.
Some commentators are saying that Barr, a known Trump supporter who sent a document belittling and dismissing the Mueller investigation last year, was specifically installed to halt the investigation ASAP so it appears that's mission accomplished for him. The letter summarising the report is, as many have noted, careful in what it doesn't say about the President.
minimoog said:
NRS said:
So I can't see Barr just making stuff up about there being no collusion if the report says differently.
Well some commentators are suggesting the devil is in the words Barr used, such as no evidence of Trump conspiring with the Russian government i.e. government officials. Which is different from saying no conspiracy with Russian bad actors in general, who may be working at arms length to maintain a measure of plausible deniability.Another aspect is getting your spin out there first because the media will lap it up and regurgitate it and it becomes the de facto truth, even if it's not quite what the report says, or it leaves out large parts of the report's conclusions.
Reports are that the White House is 'jubilant' and you can see why. I don't think anyone with a level head will deny this is a massive, massive victory for Trump and he may well ride into a second term on the back of it. Dems though will try and get the full report so there's interesting stuff ahead yet I'm sure.
I'm wondering if Barr ordered Mueller to end the investigation now with matters outstanding and questions unasked. I'm wary of clutching at straws, but it seems a possibility.
I'd be potentially more focused on the section on obstruction, as it seems to say it wasn't proven one way or the other, and was up to Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to determine if it was a crime. And as part of their work it seems one of the reasons they didn't view it as obstruction was that there was no crime to cover up, as determined by there being no (direct Trump) collusion charge in the Russian Interference section. That perhaps suggests it might be been interpreted as obstruction if it was viewed there was a crime to hide.
Max_Torque said:
As i said a few pages back, i've never really thought Trump had deliberately colluded with Russia, as for a start, he's way too dumb to set that up and carry it off!
It's been funny watching people opine how thick he is whilst also asserting that he engaged in a secret conspiracy with a foreign government somehow using his brilliant counter espionage skills to outwit the fbi, cia, homeland and dod. 1 assertion seems reasonable, but you really can't have both!fblm said:
It's been funny watching people opine how thick he is whilst also asserting that he engaged in a secret conspiracy with a foreign government somehow using his brilliant counter espionage skills to outwit the fbi, cia, homeland and dod. 1 assertion seems reasonable, but you really can't have both!
Actually it makes perfect sense when you realise that Trump wasn't orchestrating it, just participating. I've no doubt that interference in the 2016 US elections were being orchestrated, but from Moscow rather Trump Towers.
Also, he hasn't been bright enough to get away with it, how many of his aides have gone down for this now? He's just been lucky that the US justice system is more lenient than his Russian overlords (Read: innocent until proven guilty).
NRS said:
And as part of their work it seems one of the reasons they didn't view it as obstruction was that there was no crime to cover up, as determined by there being no (direct Trump) collusion charge in the Russian Interference section. That perhaps suggests it might be been interpreted as obstruction if it was viewed there was a crime to hide.
The problem with that interpretation is it's essentially saying you can obstruct an investigation as much as you like and as long as it works you're home free.fblm said:
It's been funny watching people opine how thick he is whilst also asserting that he engaged in a secret conspiracy with a foreign government somehow using his brilliant counter espionage skills to outwit the fbi, cia, homeland and dod. 1 assertion seems reasonable, but you really can't have both!
So true. I notice it’s the same people who also tell me the EU have no power (or my favourite analogy from the contradictors - “it’s just like a town council”) even though we’ve spent two firkin’ years trying to get away from this supposedly powerless entity!fido said:
So true. I notice it’s the same people who also tell me the EU have no power (or my favourite analogy from the contradictors - “it’s just like a town council”) even though we’ve spent two firkin’ years trying to get away from this supposedly powerless entity!
We've spent two years trying to persuade the wife we've just divorced to f
k us. For some reason she's having none of it. Now off to the Brexit threads with your bks.minimoog said:
We've spent two years trying to persuade the wife we've just divorced to fk us. For some reason she's having none of it. Now off to the Brexit threads with your bks.
Like most of the evidence against Trump, even your own example is contradictory! A to-be-divorced wife has ALOT of power (as many a PH'er can testify to) and is certainly not to be f3cked with.k us. For some reason she's having none of it. Now off to the Brexit threads with your bks.fido said:
minimoog said:
We've spent two years trying to persuade the wife we've just divorced to fk us. For some reason she's having none of it. Now off to the Brexit threads with your bks.
Like most of the evidence against Trump, even your own example is contradictory! A to-be-divorced wife has ALOT of power (as many a PH'er can testify to) and is certainly not to be f3cked with.k us. For some reason she's having none of it. Now off to the Brexit threads with your bks.Anyway I agree that can we please avoid derailing this thread with more Brexit stuff. It's permeated through enough discussions as it is.
fido said:
fblm said:
It's been funny watching people opine how thick he is whilst also asserting that he engaged in a secret conspiracy with a foreign government somehow using his brilliant counter espionage skills to outwit the fbi, cia, homeland and dod. 1 assertion seems reasonable, but you really can't have both!
So true. I notice it’s the same people who also tell me the EU have no power (or my favourite analogy from the contradictors - “it’s just like a town council”) even though we’ve spent two firkin’ years trying to get away from this supposedly powerless entity!That sums up the Mueller investigation. He’s not been exceptionally clever. Arguable he’s been quite stupid in not realising that being involved with the Russians would cause him problems. And, like his bankruptcies, and the numerous legal cases, he’s tried to deal with it through the copious use of bullying, bluster, and bulls
t, by creating a whirlwind of faeces to prevent people from focussing too closely on the huge Orange turd at the centreThere's enough examples that trump knew what was going on, kept informed but stayed out of the direct contacts. In that ways he was clever
Sending intermediaries, such as Prince in the Sechelles meetings, Kushner with the Saudis, papadopolous early on, using Stone as the intermediate with Wikileaks and the russian hackers, listening in on speaker phone with the trump tower meeting with donald jnr, then almost certainly being reported to later. Proving this would always be difficult, even with trump showing knowledge of the events.
There's certainly evidence of team trump using several burner phones.
Where he hasn't been clever is in his business dealings. He's been getting away with lots throughout his career whilst others picked up the pieces or swept them under the carpet. That might change now as he's under the microscope.
Sending intermediaries, such as Prince in the Sechelles meetings, Kushner with the Saudis, papadopolous early on, using Stone as the intermediate with Wikileaks and the russian hackers, listening in on speaker phone with the trump tower meeting with donald jnr, then almost certainly being reported to later. Proving this would always be difficult, even with trump showing knowledge of the events.
There's certainly evidence of team trump using several burner phones.
Where he hasn't been clever is in his business dealings. He's been getting away with lots throughout his career whilst others picked up the pieces or swept them under the carpet. That might change now as he's under the microscope.
Meanwhile, that mystery company has lost it's latest appeal not to respond to the subpoena, so will continue to face repeating large fines
The company, which refused to cooperate, faces fines that have increased by $50,000 a day and may have grown to well more than $2 million.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25...
The company, which refused to cooperate, faces fines that have increased by $50,000 a day and may have grown to well more than $2 million.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25...
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