45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Tartan Pixie said:
North Korea: If US wants to talk, put someone 'more mature' than Pompeo in charge: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/north-...
Kim has apparently had enough of Pompeo and Bolton so is back to doing weapons tests, albeit non nuclear so as not to break any current agreements.
Wonder if Trump's still dreaming of a nobel prize?
I prefer the NY times headline - North Korea Hits a Man With Glasses Kim has apparently had enough of Pompeo and Bolton so is back to doing weapons tests, albeit non nuclear so as not to break any current agreements.
Wonder if Trump's still dreaming of a nobel prize?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/world/asia/nort...
Lets face it - trumps negotiation skills were just passing Kim a note in class...
On the day that their talks in Hanoi collapsed last month, U.S. President Donald Trump handed North Korean leader Kim Jong Un a piece of paper that included a blunt call for the transfer of Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons and bomb fuel to the United States
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/30/with-a-piece-of-pa...
The SCO confirms that in the weeks before the 2016 election, Trump believed Kremlin agents held videos of him from a 2013 Moscow trip that could end his candidacy.
Special counsel Robert Mueller examined whether President Donald Trump learned during the 2016 presidential campaign of the rumored existence of compromising tapes made of him years earlier when he visited Moscow, according to a redacted version of Mueller's report.
According to a footnote in the special counsel's report, which was released Thursday, Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal lawyer, received a text from Russian businessman Giorgi Rtskhiladze in October 2016 that said: "Stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else. Just so you know..."
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/muelle...
Special counsel Robert Mueller examined whether President Donald Trump learned during the 2016 presidential campaign of the rumored existence of compromising tapes made of him years earlier when he visited Moscow, according to a redacted version of Mueller's report.
According to a footnote in the special counsel's report, which was released Thursday, Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal lawyer, received a text from Russian businessman Giorgi Rtskhiladze in October 2016 that said: "Stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else. Just so you know..."
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/muelle...
Tartan Pixie said:
North Korea: If US wants to talk, put someone 'more mature' than Pompeo in charge: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/north-...
Kim has apparently had enough of Pompeo and Bolton so is back to doing weapons tests, albeit non nuclear so as not to break any current agreements.
Wonder if Trump's still dreaming of a nobel prize?
The issue is that Trump has been promising KJU whatever KJU asks for, not realising (or even caring) whether this is deliverable. This results in great “Optics” , Trump looks like the Grand Statesman who has managed to bring in KJU from the cold and to achieve what countless other Presidents failed to do. Kim has apparently had enough of Pompeo and Bolton so is back to doing weapons tests, albeit non nuclear so as not to break any current agreements.
Wonder if Trump's still dreaming of a nobel prize?
The reality has to be delivered by Pompeo- he cannot deliver what Trump has promised, ergo KJU gets upset and throws his toys out of the pram.
Trump has built an entire career out of bulls
t, usually financed by other peoples money. And there are umpteen examples of his businesses failing because bullst cant beat cold reality. However (and fair play to him) he’s got the ability of coating his bullst with enough glitter to persuade people to keep swallowing.......
NY Times have taken Barrs letter and compared it to the Mueller report, highlighting all the differences side by side.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/mue...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/mue...
Probably time to stop overly fussing over this from 2016 and start wondering whether the Democrats have anyone who can stop him being re-elected in 2020.
Got to hand it to the man, 6 months after being sworn in I thought he was all washed up. But like the saleman he is, still going strong and looking like he will get a 2nd term. He promised the USA some good times financially and he has delivered ( ignoring someone will eventually have to pay it all back
).
The opposition is playing into his hands as well.
I love the old bastid almost as much as I hate him
Got to hand it to the man, 6 months after being sworn in I thought he was all washed up. But like the saleman he is, still going strong and looking like he will get a 2nd term. He promised the USA some good times financially and he has delivered ( ignoring someone will eventually have to pay it all back
).The opposition is playing into his hands as well.
I love the old bastid almost as much as I hate him
Eric Mc said:
paulguitar said:
Halb said:
I feel that this will be like everything else. It will mean very little.
Bill Maher had it right in his show last week. Trump was a horrible business man and a great politician when he won, he wins every discourse, because he tells the reality, it doesn't matter what the reality is, he defines it by what he says and people love it.
He seems to have completely cast a spell over the weak-minded. He has a hold over them very much like a cult leader, and we have seen cases in the past where victims of cults have literally gone to their deaths for it. Human behaviour can be truly fascinating. Bill Maher had it right in his show last week. Trump was a horrible business man and a great politician when he won, he wins every discourse, because he tells the reality, it doesn't matter what the reality is, he defines it by what he says and people love it.
This is what the USA has brought on us now, it's 100% right or 100% wrong depending on your bias. Shame.
Gandahar said:
He promised the USA some good times financially and he has delivered ( ignoring someone will eventually have to pay it all back ).
....but, as with his multitude of failed businesses, it won’t be him. And if he’s challenged about it, he will bulls ).t his way out of it, as usual. No other President has managed to convince his supporters to believe so much bullst for such a long period of time. That’s where the suggestion of him being a Cult Leader comes from.Countdown said:
Gandahar said:
He promised the USA some good times financially and he has delivered ( ignoring someone will eventually have to pay it all back ).
....but, as with his multitude of failed businesses, it won’t be him. And if he’s challenged about it, he will bulls ).t his way out of it, as usual. No other President has managed to convince his supporters to believe so much bullst for such a long period of time. That’s where the suggestion of him being a Cult Leader comes from.But as I said, due to bias everything he does is wrong. His supporters will say everything Obama did was wrong. Neither is true.
I am not a Trump apologist as I think as a person he is detestable. But his Presidency from a a very rocky start has delivered on the one big promise, forgetting silly border walls etc and that is ....will you feel richer and living the American dream? And the answer is yes financially today. That's a big pro for him, and it is not cult followers giving the nod to that, it is the middle class looking at their bank balance and share portfolio. This will come home to roost eventually but by the time it does he will be out of office and can blame someone else ( as per normal).
Also his Trump corporation will have benefited in the meantime from the low corporate taxes. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.
Cult leader as a put down just sounds like sour grapes and wide of the mark. Petty.
He's not a cult leader he is just a plain old salesman.
Selling either the gold mine or the snake oil.
Currently the gold mine.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 20th April 22:12
Gandahar said:
Cult leader as a put down just sounds like sour grapes and wide of the mark. Petty.
He's not a cult leader he is just a plain old salesman.
Selling either the gold mine or the snake oil.
Currently the gold mine.
The other points can be (and have been) debated extensively. However, with regards to the "Cult" I don't think you could be more wrong. Forget the economic success of the US for one minute (holding that out as his stellar achievement is misguided IMO). The reason why I see his supporters as being some kind of cult and him as a cult leader is because he spouts constant lies and they take those lies at face value. These aren't just your average common-or-garden lies, they are 24-carat gold lies that are obviously lies to anybody with an ounce of common sense. You can take your pick from the link below, my favourite is his statement that the Democrats don't mind executing babies after birth.He's not a cult leader he is just a plain old salesman.
Selling either the gold mine or the snake oil.
Currently the gold mine.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-tr...
A cult can be defined as a group of people, led by a single figure, whose beliefs are considered extreme or strange by many other people.
That defines Trump and his acolytes perfectly. There have been many people who genuinely believe that he is carrying out God's work
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Prophecy-Trump-Prophe...
Gandahar said:
Rubbish. Basically you are showing your bias. If you had a bias the other way you could say Obama had a cult of personality.
This is what the USA has brought on us now, it's 100% right or 100% wrong depending on your bias. Shame.
Nope - I've listened to many interviews on American TV news programmes and you can see that the type of people who are staunchly behind Trump are very different to your normal political supporter. This is a new phenomenon that we have never seen expressed in regard to a President of the US. Trump is much more akin to the Reverend Jimmy Jones than Barack Obama.This is what the USA has brought on us now, it's 100% right or 100% wrong depending on your bias. Shame.
Gandahar said:
Countdown said:
Gandahar said:
He promised the USA some good times financially and he has delivered ( ignoring someone will eventually have to pay it all back ).
....but, as with his multitude of failed businesses, it won’t be him. And if he’s challenged about it, he will bulls ).t his way out of it, as usual. No other President has managed to convince his supporters to believe so much bullst for such a long period of time. That’s where the suggestion of him being a Cult Leader comes from.But as I said, due to bias everything he does is wrong. His supporters will say everything Obama did was wrong. Neither is true.
I am not a Trump apologist as I think as a person he is detestable. But his Presidency from a a very rocky start has delivered on the one big promise, forgetting silly border walls etc and that is ....will you feel richer and living the American dream? And the answer is yes financially today. That's a big pro for him, and it is not cult followers giving the nod to that, it is the middle class looking at their bank balance and share portfolio. This will come home to roost eventually but by the time it does he will be out of office and can blame someone else ( as per normal).
Also his Trump corporation will have benefited in the meantime from the low corporate taxes. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.
Cult leader as a put down just sounds like sour grapes and wide of the mark. Petty.
He's not a cult leader he is just a plain old salesman.
Selling either the gold mine or the snake oil.
Currently the gold mine.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 20th April 22:12
Gandahar said:
But as I said, due to bias everything he does is wrong. His supporters will say everything Obama did was wrong. Neither is true.
Actually that's an easy thing to throw around here, usually by the people who say I'm not a trump supporter but... 
Gandahar said:
I am not a Trump apologist as I think as a person he is detestable. But... [/quote}
I always report on what he does, whether good or bad, it's not cherry picking, just that there's little he's done that has actually benefited the US people. I did share the story on his administration ban of bump stocks which was a good thing, although he did managed to flip flop around that one as the NRA has talks with him.
We often comment on the job figures and the economy, which seems to be ticking along nicely, probably because apart from the tax cuts and trade wars, trump hasn't done much to affect this. However, like his businesses, it does look like he's building up debt for someone else to pay off in the future.
As for cult, I think amongst his ardent trump supporters that actually describes him really well. There's been a number of stories about how they say they don't like his womanising, don't like his not showing his taxes, don't like their increased taxes/loss of tax refunds etc, but still evangelise about how they support trump.
I always report on what he does, whether good or bad, it's not cherry picking, just that there's little he's done that has actually benefited the US people. I did share the story on his administration ban of bump stocks which was a good thing, although he did managed to flip flop around that one as the NRA has talks with him.
We often comment on the job figures and the economy, which seems to be ticking along nicely, probably because apart from the tax cuts and trade wars, trump hasn't done much to affect this. However, like his businesses, it does look like he's building up debt for someone else to pay off in the future.
As for cult, I think amongst his ardent trump supporters that actually describes him really well. There's been a number of stories about how they say they don't like his womanising, don't like his not showing his taxes, don't like their increased taxes/loss of tax refunds etc, but still evangelise about how they support trump.
The Trump campaign has hired its own in-house attorney for its 2020 reelection bid — shifting future business away from Jones Day, the law firm, that has represented Trump since his first run for president.
Taking business away from Jones Day is payback, these advisers say, for McGahn’s soured relationship with the Trump family and a handful articles in high-profile newspapers that the family blames, unfairly or not, on the former White House counsel.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/19/trump-ca...
Expect more of this as trump lashes out against those that contributed to the Mueller report.
Taking business away from Jones Day is payback, these advisers say, for McGahn’s soured relationship with the Trump family and a handful articles in high-profile newspapers that the family blames, unfairly or not, on the former White House counsel.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/19/trump-ca...
Expect more of this as trump lashes out against those that contributed to the Mueller report.
The FBI has arrested Larry Mitchell Hopkins, the leader of The United Constitutional Patriots, an armed border militia group that spreads far-right conspiracies and rounds up asylum seekers on the border. The group also peddles conspiracy theories and produces a radio show where members spread information about QAnon, and accuse migrants of associating with ISIS. Hopkins has also claimed that president Trump has personally asked him about ‘Muslim immigration.’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-arrests-larry-mi...
Why does this report water down what they do, saying detained instead of kidnapped or abducted? This is a white nationalist group kidnapping desperate people.
The Guardian gets it right
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/20/fb...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-arrests-larry-mi...
Why does this report water down what they do, saying detained instead of kidnapped or abducted? This is a white nationalist group kidnapping desperate people.
The Guardian gets it right
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/20/fb...
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 21st April 08:00
There's a lot being discussed around how much is missing from the Mueller report that is known about, indicating Barr closed down the trump investigation promptly, so Mueller got as much as possible out there. It also looks like a lot was 'forgotten' by team trump in those two years, or deleted/destroyed.
Such as Papadopoulos's knowledge that Russia "could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of info that would be damaging to Clinton" reached representatives and hence the intelligence services of Greece, Australia and the US by July 2016, but there's no documentary evidence it ever reached the Campaign he worked for. He could boast to everyone he met but not the people he was working for?
Seth Abramson also covered this in his long thread after the mueller report
Ah yes—good old George. Mueller says he told *both the Australian and Greek governments* about the Kremlin having Clinton emails but *not the Trump campaign*. And yet, what's this? He—er—vaguely recalls *maybe* telling Clovis. And Mashburn says he told him. Jesus, Mueller..
This is why I emphasized how—early in the report—Mueller said (in effect) "here are the obstacles I faced" in collecting evidence. One of them was *Trump's people lying*. There's *every indication* Clovis and others—and Papadopoulos—successfully lied *many* times to Mueller.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1118978858...
Such as Papadopoulos's knowledge that Russia "could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of info that would be damaging to Clinton" reached representatives and hence the intelligence services of Greece, Australia and the US by July 2016, but there's no documentary evidence it ever reached the Campaign he worked for. He could boast to everyone he met but not the people he was working for?
Seth Abramson also covered this in his long thread after the mueller report
Ah yes—good old George. Mueller says he told *both the Australian and Greek governments* about the Kremlin having Clinton emails but *not the Trump campaign*. And yet, what's this? He—er—vaguely recalls *maybe* telling Clovis. And Mashburn says he told him. Jesus, Mueller..
This is why I emphasized how—early in the report—Mueller said (in effect) "here are the obstacles I faced" in collecting evidence. One of them was *Trump's people lying*. There's *every indication* Clovis and others—and Papadopoulos—successfully lied *many* times to Mueller.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1118978858...
There's further evidence the Muller report was rushed because Barr was shutting it down
When the Mueller report refers to the Trump Tower Moscow project on page fifteen of Section II, it states that “Trump pursued a business project…as late as June 2016.”
Lets remember in January that Giuliani admitted that trump continued with this through transition and election
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russi...
This part must have been written prior to Rudy Giuliani’s public confession in January so an oversight or does it show they didn't have time to correct due to the timescales given to them to wrap it up quickly
When the Mueller report refers to the Trump Tower Moscow project on page fifteen of Section II, it states that “Trump pursued a business project…as late as June 2016.”
Lets remember in January that Giuliani admitted that trump continued with this through transition and election
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russi...
This part must have been written prior to Rudy Giuliani’s public confession in January so an oversight or does it show they didn't have time to correct due to the timescales given to them to wrap it up quickly
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