45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
paulguitar said:
Pesty said:
But trumps fault.
Are you a Trump supporter?"
You mean that Zionist, Jew-loving, anti-White, traitorous cocksucker? Don't make me laugh.
"Are you affiliated with any political ideology?"
Yes. It's called not wanting to go extinct.
"Are you a conservative?"
I am not a useless, spineless coward so noI am not a conservative.
How is it trump's fault?Are you a Trump supporter?"
You mean that Zionist, Jew-loving, anti-White, traitorous cocksucker? Don't make me laugh.
"Are you affiliated with any political ideology?"
Yes. It's called not wanting to go extinct.
"Are you a conservative?"
I am not a useless, spineless coward so noI am not a conservative.
Seventy said:
O/T but I’ve just had a read through of the Trump visit thread.
Do people like that that really exist? Or are they just playing out their internet persona?
Seems to me they get their news from Breitbart or the daily caller.
Yes, it is quite amazing, it is as if all of the banned people from here are filling their boots with bigoted cliches. They seem to be enjoying it though! Do people like that that really exist? Or are they just playing out their internet persona?
Seems to me they get their news from Breitbart or the daily caller.
paulguitar said:
trump at his rally yesterday claimed Democrats support murdering babies:
"The baby is born, the mother meets w/the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully. Then the doctor and mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."
Seems to stem from Democrats not passing the Republican Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. Horribly emotive issue even without the politics, but seems to have been twisted from passive "do not resusciate" (e.g. in the event of non-viable birth) to active "infanticide!". Mike Pence has been pushing it as murder, and it's been amplified through the usual usual pipeline of fringe blogs, alternative media sites and ultimately Fox & Friends. Trump previously tweeted about it in February, albeit it in less dramatic tone. Talking about it in terms of execution is mind bogglingly irresponsible, and is going to get doctors killed. "The baby is born, the mother meets w/the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully. Then the doctor and mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."
Also, anyone have a clue what he's on about here?
Trump said:
Prescription drugs - look, it's a rigged system. If I told you how crazy it is - the web, it's a web - you'd need a 193 IQ to even understand. This web of geniuses, they put this thing to lower drug price, it has 19 effects here - we got it down.”[/quotes]
Trump said:
Prescription drugs - look, it's a rigged system. If I told you how crazy it is - the web, it's a web - you'd need a 193 IQ to even understand. This web of geniuses, they put this thing to lower drug price, it has 19 effects here - we got it down.”[/quotes]
Crikey, that's indecipherable, even for him.I was watching an interview with trump from the 1980s recently, he really has declined hugely since then. He appeared almost normal and was actually quite articulate. There has been some speculation he may be suffering from some form of dementia, it certainly seems possible.
Barr, weont go and talk to the house committee because heis objecting to Nadler plan to allow for a round (after members question) of 30 minutes for each side, allowing committee counsels to question. And he is opposed to move to closed session to discuss the unredacted report
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/28/politics/barr-h...
If only he was a woman accusing a Supreme Court nominee. Christine Blasey Ford had to take questions from an outside lawyer because Republicans insisted on it. But now the Attorney General of the United States is afraid of being questioned by staff lawyers about the Mueller report
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/28/politics/barr-h...
If only he was a woman accusing a Supreme Court nominee. Christine Blasey Ford had to take questions from an outside lawyer because Republicans insisted on it. But now the Attorney General of the United States is afraid of being questioned by staff lawyers about the Mueller report
Sally Yates interview. Remember she was sacked by trump when she refused to action his illegal travel ban for muslims.
Sally Yates responds to Giuliani saying that material stolen by a foreign power is fair game in an election:
"That's a shocking statement. And it also just reflects how they have moved the goalpost, when the truth comes out.
"I've personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far, far less evidence than this."
"If he were not the president of the united states, he would likely be indicted on obstruction.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/yates...
Sally Yates responds to Giuliani saying that material stolen by a foreign power is fair game in an election:
"That's a shocking statement. And it also just reflects how they have moved the goalpost, when the truth comes out.
"I've personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far, far less evidence than this."
"If he were not the president of the united states, he would likely be indicted on obstruction.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/yates...
John Bolton confirms that the U.S. signed an agreement pledging to pay the $2 million that North Korea demanded for Otto Warmbier’s care. He notes it occurred before he joined the administration and makes clear he was unaware about this until it was reported. Adds it wasn’t paid
The great negotiator lied
The great negotiator lied
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 28th April 19:31
Byker28i said:
Back to the news,
NRA Board member reads a letter from Oliver North saying he has been forced out of the organization due to his allegations that NRA leaders engaged in financial improprieties
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/112214495...
Ted Lieu - savage as alwaysNRA Board member reads a letter from Oliver North saying he has been forced out of the organization due to his allegations that NRA leaders engaged in financial improprieties
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/112214495...
Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
Hey Oliver North, you previously aided and abetted in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry. I heard the @realDonaldTrump Administration is hiring. You may want to give them a call.Ted Lieu added,
12:31 PM - 27 Apr 2019
GOP's new slogan - "I don't care"?
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Sunday that he doesn't care if President Trump told former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.
"I don’t care what they talked about. He didn’t do anything. The point is the president did not impede Mueller from doing his investigation," Graham said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation" when host Margaret Brennan noted that, according to the special counsel's report, Trump in 2017 ordered McGahn to fire Mueller.
"I don’t care what happened between him and Don McGahn," Graham continued. "Here’s what I care about: Was Mueller allowed to do his job? And the answer is yes."
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/441...
One suspects with Barr and Rosenstein, that Mueller may not have been permitted to do his job, which is why the GOP are heavily pushing that he was.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Sunday that he doesn't care if President Trump told former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.
"I don’t care what they talked about. He didn’t do anything. The point is the president did not impede Mueller from doing his investigation," Graham said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation" when host Margaret Brennan noted that, according to the special counsel's report, Trump in 2017 ordered McGahn to fire Mueller.
"I don’t care what happened between him and Don McGahn," Graham continued. "Here’s what I care about: Was Mueller allowed to do his job? And the answer is yes."
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/441...
One suspects with Barr and Rosenstein, that Mueller may not have been permitted to do his job, which is why the GOP are heavily pushing that he was.
NY Times reports on how trumps trade wars are hitting the farmers.
Over the past two years, nearly 1,200 of the state’s dairy farms have stopped milking cows and so far this year, another 212 have disappeared, with many shifting production to beef or vegetables. The total number of herds in Wisconsin is now below 8,000 — about half as many as 15 years ago. In 2018, 49 Wisconsin farms filed for bankruptcy — the highest of any state in the country,
Most painful for Wisconsin’s dairy farmers has been a 25 percent tariff that Mexico placed on American cheese, which is made with a significant volume of the state’s milk production. Retaliatory tarrifs for trumps trade wars
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/us/politics/tru...
Winsconson was of course one of those unexpected swing states to trump in 2016, one of the states that had their election systems attacked by russian hackers...
Over the past two years, nearly 1,200 of the state’s dairy farms have stopped milking cows and so far this year, another 212 have disappeared, with many shifting production to beef or vegetables. The total number of herds in Wisconsin is now below 8,000 — about half as many as 15 years ago. In 2018, 49 Wisconsin farms filed for bankruptcy — the highest of any state in the country,
Most painful for Wisconsin’s dairy farmers has been a 25 percent tariff that Mexico placed on American cheese, which is made with a significant volume of the state’s milk production. Retaliatory tarrifs for trumps trade wars
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/us/politics/tru...
Winsconson was of course one of those unexpected swing states to trump in 2016, one of the states that had their election systems attacked by russian hackers...
Lentilist said:
Trump said:
Prescription drugs - look, it's a rigged system. If I told you how crazy it is - the web, it's a web - you'd need a 193 IQ to even understand. This web of geniuses, they put this thing to lower drug price, it has 19 effects here - we got it down.”
Unless, of course, he's not a genius and doesn't understand how most things work.
Edited by arfursleep on Monday 29th April 10:12
Lentilist said:
Also, anyone have a clue what he's on about here?
He's gone on about lowering the cost of healthcare before so I think it's genuinely something he wants to do, also to be fair to Trump the economics of American healthcare is a fiendishly complicated complicated subject.Trump said:
Prescription drugs - look, it's a rigged system. If I told you how crazy it is - the web, it's a web - you'd need a 193 IQ to even understand. This web of geniuses, they put this thing to lower drug price, it has 19 effects here - we got it down.
A quick google turned this up from last year, according to Fox the plan is to streamline various laws around pharma: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/trumps-plan-t...
Given that he's not beholden to big pharma Trump has the potential to do some good here but it's not my area so I've no idea, could be genuine reform or old fashioned deregulate and screw the consequences?
Tartan Pixie said:
Given that he's not beholden to big pharma Trump has the potential to do some good here but it's not my area so I've no idea, could be genuine reform or old fashioned deregulate and screw the consequences?
I don't think Trump knows what he want's to do... But whilst he's not beholden to the pharmaceutical behemoths, the rest of the Republicans (and most of the Democrats) are. People forget that the President can't simply snap his fingers and get laws changed. Laws need to go through both houses so any changes are likely to be too watered down to be of any use.Also given Trump's attention span he's probably forgotten about it already.
Trump orders staff to prepare arms-control push with Russia and China: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secu...
Trump has been at best ambivilent about arms control treaties however it appears someone has told him how much a new arms race is going to cost and he wasn't happy about it.
There is a problem though. All successful arms treaties I can think of have involved one side proving they can out manufacture the other, eg the UK agreed to sign the Washington naval treaty after WWI when congress announced a massive ship building program that the Royal Navy could never hope to match, similarly the USSR only agreed to the recently defunct INF treaty after America started building pershing II missiles at a rate the Soviets could not hope to match.
Against China I don't see America having the ability to out manufacture them in order to bring them to the table and I can't imagine China responding well to Trump's usual bullying tactics.
If a deal is to be struck then at the very least China are going to want the ability to defend their own country in event of attack, which in practical terms means having enough missiles on their eastern seaboard to sink a US carrier battle group. That would mean America effectively ceding control of the South China Sea, any suggestion of which and you'd probably be able to hear Bolton's head exploding for miles around.
Assuming Trump can remove his digit from his derriere for long enough to make headway on this deal then I genuinely wish him the best of luck, this will not be an easy deal to make.
Trump has been at best ambivilent about arms control treaties however it appears someone has told him how much a new arms race is going to cost and he wasn't happy about it.
There is a problem though. All successful arms treaties I can think of have involved one side proving they can out manufacture the other, eg the UK agreed to sign the Washington naval treaty after WWI when congress announced a massive ship building program that the Royal Navy could never hope to match, similarly the USSR only agreed to the recently defunct INF treaty after America started building pershing II missiles at a rate the Soviets could not hope to match.
Against China I don't see America having the ability to out manufacture them in order to bring them to the table and I can't imagine China responding well to Trump's usual bullying tactics.
If a deal is to be struck then at the very least China are going to want the ability to defend their own country in event of attack, which in practical terms means having enough missiles on their eastern seaboard to sink a US carrier battle group. That would mean America effectively ceding control of the South China Sea, any suggestion of which and you'd probably be able to hear Bolton's head exploding for miles around.
Assuming Trump can remove his digit from his derriere for long enough to make headway on this deal then I genuinely wish him the best of luck, this will not be an easy deal to make.
trumps racked up his lie telling.
"All told, the president racked up 171 false or misleading claims in just three days, April 25-27. That's more than he made in any single month in the first five months of his presidency." According to the Washington Times lie checker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29...
It took President Trump 601 days to top 5,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker’s database, an average of eight claims a day.
But on April 26, just 226 days later, the president crossed the 10,000 mark — an average of nearly 23 claims a day in this seven-month period, which included the many rallies he held before the midterm elections, the partial government shutdown over his promised border wall and the release of the special counsel’s report on Russian interference in the presidential election.
"All told, the president racked up 171 false or misleading claims in just three days, April 25-27. That's more than he made in any single month in the first five months of his presidency." According to the Washington Times lie checker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29...
It took President Trump 601 days to top 5,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker’s database, an average of eight claims a day.
But on April 26, just 226 days later, the president crossed the 10,000 mark — an average of nearly 23 claims a day in this seven-month period, which included the many rallies he held before the midterm elections, the partial government shutdown over his promised border wall and the release of the special counsel’s report on Russian interference in the presidential election.
Michael Cohen: "You are going to find me guilty of campaign finance ... and give me three years—really? ... I didn't work for the campaign. I worked for him. And how come I'm the one that's going to prison? I'm not the one that slept with the porn star."
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/05/06/mich...
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/05/06/mich...
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