Sky News stories about fears of disorder and shortages

[Teddy Lop]

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

Interestingly, a drug that my mum takes daily; is in short supply and she was told by the doctor; it is because of Brexit. I don’t know the ins and outs; or any details - but basically; she was told that the drug she relies on will run out completely and pretty much already has. Bizarre. The idea that one poster here has said that, people that are on certain drugs should be ‘less picky’ is hilarious, given people take to different drugs, differently. Anyway, her doctor wrote a prescription for one years supply of the stuff, after finding out that her son was in France. She scanned and emailed me the prescription, and I popped into a pharmacy and bought boxes and boxes of the stuff. All’s well that ends well (ish).

Whether the doctor was wide of the mark, I don’t know; but one pharmacist also backed up his assertion.

Really? Brexit hasn’t happened yet. No reason on earth why it would affect supply at this stage.

it's ridiculous isn't it. All it serves is to undermine any genuine issues concerning brexit.

[Mrr T]

Teddy Lop said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

Interestingly, a drug that my mum takes daily; is in short supply and she was told by the doctor; it is because of Brexit. I don’t know the ins and outs; or any details - but basically; she was told that the drug she relies on will run out completely and pretty much already has. Bizarre. The idea that one poster here has said that, people that are on certain drugs should be ‘less picky’ is hilarious, given people take to different drugs, differently. Anyway, her doctor wrote a prescription for one years supply of the stuff, after finding out that her son was in France. She scanned and emailed me the prescription, and I popped into a pharmacy and bought boxes and boxes of the stuff. All’s well that ends well (ish).

Whether the doctor was wide of the mark, I don’t know; but one pharmacist also backed up his assertion.

Really? Brexit hasn’t happened yet. No reason on earth why it would affect supply at this stage.

it's ridiculous isn't it. All it serves is to undermine any genuine issues concerning brexit.

This is only second hand from a medical professional. He says most drug companies are, on government advice, increasing stocks. However, they are short of space which meets the requirement to store medicines. So they are increasing stock on the most used drugs at the expense of space used to hold less used. This is causing difficulties with suppliers of some drugs.

[oyster]

Teddy Lop said:

There won't be shortages - EU countries still have produce to sell. Worst case scenario is raw food imports from eu attract 10% duty, which in many cases won't all be passed on in final product, ie because 2p worth of flour costs 10% more a £1 loaf of bread will be £1.00.02 or in English, £1. If the EU does decide to throw producer countries like Spain and Ireland under the bus in its making a point to Britain then Some things will rise in price until other sources can be found, although denying said already heavily indebted countries a market it is heavily dependant on in itself might spark a severe economic crash in Europe.

But how does the bread producer account for and pay that extra duty? Suppose they produce 10 MILLION loaves a day and they find out a week before Brexit that tariffs are changing. How can they change IT systems in time to account for that?

And whilst the IT systems are being changed, how do they keep the supply chain going? Do they manually account for the changed tariff? Who does that? No-one is paid to do that right now. Do they hire in some temporary staff? How can they train them in time? And how will they be paid?

And who pays the IT bods to change the systems for the new tariffs?
Maybe you pay them extra to start work earlier and write software in case the tariff rules are different. Maybe you ask them to develop a system to cope with 132 different tariff permutations? And maybe none of them actually get used. and who comes up with the 132 different tariff permutations? I guess they have to pay extra for that too?

And all this investment is throwaway. Like the Y2K spend - never to be used again. No productivity gains. No plant/machinery/IP investment. Throwaway.

The lack of big picture thinking about the impact of Brexit on businesses with intra-EU trade is staggering. As is the complete lack of comprehension of how supply chains work.

[LDN]

oyster said:

Teddy Lop said:

There won't be shortages - EU countries still have produce to sell. Worst case scenario is raw food imports from eu attract 10% duty, which in many cases won't all be passed on in final product, ie because 2p worth of flour costs 10% more a £1 loaf of bread will be £1.00.02 or in English, £1. If the EU does decide to throw producer countries like Spain and Ireland under the bus in its making a point to Britain then Some things will rise in price until other sources can be found, although denying said already heavily indebted countries a market it is heavily dependant on in itself might spark a severe economic crash in Europe.

But how does the bread producer account for and pay that extra duty? Suppose they produce 10 MILLION loaves a day and they find out a week before Brexit that tariffs are changing. How can they change IT systems in time to account for that?

And whilst the IT systems are being changed, how do they keep the supply chain going? Do they manually account for the changed tariff? Who does that? No-one is paid to do that right now. Do they hire in some temporary staff? How can they train them in time? And how will they be paid?

And who pays the IT bods to change the systems for the new tariffs?
Maybe you pay them extra to start work earlier and write software in case the tariff rules are different. Maybe you ask them to develop a system to cope with 132 different tariff permutations? And maybe none of them actually get used. and who comes up with the 132 different tariff permutations? I guess they have to pay extra for that too?

And all this investment is throwaway. Like the Y2K spend - never to be used again. No productivity gains. No plant/machinery/IP investment. Throwaway.

The lack of big picture thinking about the impact of Brexit on businesses with intra-EU trade is staggering. As is the complete lack of comprehension of how supply chains work.

You make some good and valid points.

[anonymous-user]

oyster said:

But how does the bread producer account for and pay that extra duty? Suppose they produce 10 MILLION loaves a day and they find out a week before Brexit that tariffs are changing. How can they change IT systems in time to account for that?

And whilst the IT systems are being changed, how do they keep the supply chain going? Do they manually account for the changed tariff? Who does that? No-one is paid to do that right now. Do they hire in some temporary staff? How can they train them in time? And how will they be paid?

And who pays the IT bods to change the systems for the new tariffs?
Maybe you pay them extra to start work earlier and write software in case the tariff rules are different. Maybe you ask them to develop a system to cope with 132 different tariff permutations? And maybe none of them actually get used. and who comes up with the 132 different tariff permutations? I guess they have to pay extra for that too?

And all this investment is throwaway. Like the Y2K spend - never to be used again. No productivity gains. No plant/machinery/IP investment. Throwaway.

The lack of big picture thinking about the impact of Brexit on businesses with intra-EU trade is staggering. As is the complete lack of comprehension of how supply chains work.

Y2k drove productivity gains because tight arsed companies were forced to invest in new IT systems. It was a major plus for the UK economy and was not throwaway as you suggest.

Brexit would do the same thing if we took the oportunities of change rather that st ourselves and tried to mitigate loss as the plan of action.

[Pacman1978]

That sky news presenter, the ginger skank, repeatedly talked about soldiers being held in reserve incase of civil unrest. Either she is being mind controlled or has no problems with looking like an even bigger than she usually does.

I don't wish harm to nobody but wouldn't it be a shame if something quite horrible happened to her that required dialing 999, met with a recorded message instructing her to contact the nearest army barracks..

How disrespectful of her to repeatedly infer that our police service aren't able to do their job.

[JonChalk]

I have decided to stockpile both my sense of proportion and my common sense - there doesn't seem any need for them right now and they may come in handy later.

[powerstroke]

Teddy Lop said:

it's ridiculous isn't it. All it serves is to undermine any genuine issues concerning brexit.

What genuine issues if this isn't one ? you do realise you won't be able to get spare parts for Audi's or french butter,
Lager and spaghetti will be rationed and cars will go unwashed ... some mobile networks will make roaming
charges ....

[Andy 308GTB]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

FTFY

[996owner]

JONSCZ said:

I knew this would make those of you who don't know how these kind of stories work try and tell those of us who do.
She wasn't 'taken advantage of' - the story came from her as she wanted to highlight a 'possible problem' which is what it did and wasn't sensational at all. The media is a way of letting those people in power know just what Brexit means for people in the real world.
As for the 'wont someone think of the children' type comment. If it was your child, then you'd want exactly that.
Also, the comment about 'someone with a media studies degree being kept in a job' - If that was directed at me, then I've been a cameraman for 30 years - long before any modern 'media type degree'. If it wasn't, then no worries.
Also, I'm certainly not 'ashamed of myself'. It was a report which, if you found yourself in a similar situation, could enable you to think ahead and plan accordingly.

Cameraman for 30 years.. Long before Media type degree... I see where the issue is (media degree)
Modern journos are bloody awful as well as their media educated producers. I've been in media since 1993 (professionally) before that learnt the skills as hospital/community radio. Thankfully I'm no longer part of this dreadful embarrassing industry.
The journos I worked with (trained as journos, not this media degree rubbish) reported facts and they had to be 100% correct or it didn't get to air. This "making news" is exactly the problem making it up especially by leaving certain parts of a story out to make it more interesting, sad. (not saying this is what happened with your story)
No wonder nobody trusts media "making news" FFS

Edited by 996owner on Tuesday 20th November 09:46

[toppstuff]

LDN said:

oyster said:

Teddy Lop said:

There won't be shortages - EU countries still have produce to sell. Worst case scenario is raw food imports from eu attract 10% duty, which in many cases won't all be passed on in final product, ie because 2p worth of flour costs 10% more a £1 loaf of bread will be £1.00.02 or in English, £1. If the EU does decide to throw producer countries like Spain and Ireland under the bus in its making a point to Britain then Some things will rise in price until other sources can be found, although denying said already heavily indebted countries a market it is heavily dependant on in itself might spark a severe economic crash in Europe.

But how does the bread producer account for and pay that extra duty? Suppose they produce 10 MILLION loaves a day and they find out a week before Brexit that tariffs are changing. How can they change IT systems in time to account for that?

And whilst the IT systems are being changed, how do they keep the supply chain going? Do they manually account for the changed tariff? Who does that? No-one is paid to do that right now. Do they hire in some temporary staff? How can they train them in time? And how will they be paid?

And who pays the IT bods to change the systems for the new tariffs?
Maybe you pay them extra to start work earlier and write software in case the tariff rules are different. Maybe you ask them to develop a system to cope with 132 different tariff permutations? And maybe none of them actually get used. and who comes up with the 132 different tariff permutations? I guess they have to pay extra for that too?

And all this investment is throwaway. Like the Y2K spend - never to be used again. No productivity gains. No plant/machinery/IP investment. Throwaway.

The lack of big picture thinking about the impact of Brexit on businesses with intra-EU trade is staggering. As is the complete lack of comprehension of how supply chains work.

You make some good and valid points.

OK. Let me play devils advocate - mainly because PH is a bit of a dull echo chamber , with the sound of everyone vigorously agreeing with each other. So let me be the moron in the corner disagreeing with everyone.

My point is this - if the WTO tariffs are so easily dismissed by you lot of powerfully built IT and supply chain titans, what is the point of having trade agreements anyway?

Billions in market cap swings plus and minus on companies because of sentiment toward free trade and the absence / or otherwise, of tarriffs.

According to you lot, they don't matter at all and life with them will all be just spiffing.

This does not add up. Please explain yourselves.

[Nickgnome]

996owner said:

JONSCZ said:

I knew this would make those of you who don't know how these kind of stories work try and tell those of us who do.
She wasn't 'taken advantage of' - the story came from her as she wanted to highlight a 'possible problem' which is what it did and wasn't sensational at all. The media is a way of letting those people in power know just what Brexit means for people in the real world.
As for the 'wont someone think of the children' type comment. If it was your child, then you'd want exactly that.
Also, the comment about 'someone with a media studies degree being kept in a job' - If that was directed at me, then I've been a cameraman for 30 years - long before any modern 'media type degree'. If it wasn't, then no worries.
Also, I'm certainly not 'ashamed of myself'. It was a report which, if you found yourself in a similar situation, could enable you to think ahead and plan accordingly.

Cameraman for 30 years.. Long before Media type degree... I see where the issue is (media degree)
Modern journos are bloody awful as well as their media educated producers. I've been in media since 1993 (professionally) before that learnt the skills as hospital/community radio. Thankfully I'm no longer part of this dreadful embarrassing industry.
The journos I worked with (trained as journos, not this media degree rubbish) reported facts and they had to be 100% correct or it didn't get to air. This "making news" is exactly the problem making it up especially by leaving certain parts of a story out to make it more interesting, sad. (not saying this is what happened with your story)
No wonder nobody trusts media "making news" FFS

Edited by 996owner on Tuesday 20th November 09:46

I think you should remove your retro looking rose tinted glasses. You are applying a sloppy generalisation to all journalists which undermines your point. There are some outstanding journalists that report accurately and with great passion. Some are in great danger by so doing.

I do however agree that the public’s desire for unbalanced opinion has been a hugely negative impact on the impartiality of some journalists and media generally.

Please do not apply this to all though.

[johnxjsc1985]

They have been pushing hard for weeks to get a 100,000 sign the debate Petition but so far after weeks and month of pushing it have just over 70,000. Its a Cartoon News channel and the BBC love to delve into doom and gloom themselves.
Whatever happened to reporting the News it is getting more like "Drop the Dead Donkey" by the day

[Camoradi]

I've cancelled all household staff leave.

I was thinking of sending the french chef back home, but decided to keep him as a potential hostage if the champagne supplies falter.

[oyster]

jsf said:

oyster said:

But how does the bread producer account for and pay that extra duty? Suppose they produce 10 MILLION loaves a day and they find out a week before Brexit that tariffs are changing. How can they change IT systems in time to account for that?

And whilst the IT systems are being changed, how do they keep the supply chain going? Do they manually account for the changed tariff? Who does that? No-one is paid to do that right now. Do they hire in some temporary staff? How can they train them in time? And how will they be paid?

And who pays the IT bods to change the systems for the new tariffs?
Maybe you pay them extra to start work earlier and write software in case the tariff rules are different. Maybe you ask them to develop a system to cope with 132 different tariff permutations? And maybe none of them actually get used. and who comes up with the 132 different tariff permutations? I guess they have to pay extra for that too?

And all this investment is throwaway. Like the Y2K spend - never to be used again. No productivity gains. No plant/machinery/IP investment. Throwaway.

The lack of big picture thinking about the impact of Brexit on businesses with intra-EU trade is staggering. As is the complete lack of comprehension of how supply chains work.

Y2k drove productivity gains because tight arsed companies were forced to invest in new IT systems. It was a major plus for the UK economy and was not throwaway as you suggest.

Brexit would do the same thing if we took the oportunities of change rather that st ourselves and tried to mitigate loss as the plan of action.

Rubbish.

Companies don't know what they're changing. They don't yet know what Brexit looks like. No-one does.

I'm in the middle of delivering a £17m programme for one of my clients to cope with Brexit changes. That's £17 million not being invested fully in new machinery, processes or people.

[996owner]

Nickgnome said:

I think you should remove your retro looking rose tinted glasses. You are applying a sloppy generalisation to all journalists which undermines your point. There are some outstanding journalists that report accurately and with great passion. Some are in great danger by so doing.

I do however agree that the public’s desire for unbalanced opinion has been a hugely negative impact on the impartiality of some journalists and media generally.

Please do not apply this to all though.

Your correct, my comments shouldn't apply to all.
That said, the standards have slipped to the point where we (the public) don't know what is actually correct anymore hence this entire topic. We should be able to trust the media especially the BBC that we pay for. I know many good talented people who have left the industry they loved to follow another path because the just don't want to be part funfair anymore.

As for the campaign Sky are running for the debates programmes, in my opinion it show just how few viewers they may have.

[Nickgnome]

996owner said:

Nickgnome said:

I think you should remove your retro looking rose tinted glasses. You are applying a sloppy generalisation to all journalists which undermines your point. There are some outstanding journalists that report accurately and with great passion. Some are in great danger by so doing.

I do however agree that the public’s desire for unbalanced opinion has been a hugely negative impact on the impartiality of some journalists and media generally.

Please do not apply this to all though.

Your correct, my comments shouldn't apply to all.
That said, the standards have slipped to the point where we (the public) don't know what is actually correct anymore hence this entire topic. We should be able to trust the media especially the BBC that we pay for. I know many good talented people who have left the industry they loved to follow another path because the just don't want to be part funfair anymore.

As for the campaign Sky are running for the debates programmes, in my opinion it show just how few viewers they may have.

I didn’t know they were but then I don’t watch Sky. I didn’t like the Murdoch link. I suppose it might be different now.

Having said that I/we did a significant amount of work with Sky for many years and found the staff to be highly motivated and passionate about what they did.

[hidetheelephants]

The advent of 24hr rolling news destroyed any sense of proportion in what is put on the screen; faced with the endless need for something, anything, to fill air time they will report on whatever comes down the road as if it's the cuban missile crisis mixed with Foot and Mouth even if it's utterly banal. Ban the fking lot; they're only allowed on at lunchtime, dinnertime and bedtime. Anything else is a pisstake, especially if they're interviewing each other as though it's Frost vs Nixon.

[FurtiveFreddy]

"Brexit Preppers"

I can see the Channel 5 series now.

Episode 1 - Doris from Telford clears out her spare room and turns it onto a 'Brexit Bunker' to store her stockpile of gravy granules.



Episode 2 - Charlotte off Mumsnet explains how a group of concerned mothers are organising a 'Doomsday Brexit Morning Club' to discuss what they should be buying before it all kicks off on March 30th.
Top of the list - Frozen avocado from Iceland, chocolate-covered bananas and plenty of teabags.

Etc etc...

[iphonedyou]

Pacman1978 said:

That sky news presenter, the ginger skank, repeatedly talked about soldiers being held in reserve incase of civil unrest. Either she is being mind controlled or has no problems with looking like an even bigger than she usually does.

I don't wish harm to nobody but wouldn't it be a shame if something quite horrible happened to her that required dialing 999, met with a recorded message instructing her to contact the nearest army barracks..

How disrespectful of her to repeatedly infer that our police service aren't able to do their job.

She implied and you inferred, and you don't wish harm to 'anybody' you misogynist cretin.