Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

[dasigty]

Week 15, numbers larger than ever as Paris is brought to a standstill again.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Unlike the skull cracking which occurred when police truncheoned Countryside Alliance protesters, it certainly is the case that plod here don't change their pussyfooting approach when legitimate student/momentum/anarchist protests become criminal damage and theft. The same kid gloves from kettling to dispersion are prolonged and cranium cracking is reserved for absolute last ditch responses when buildings have already been burned to the ground in riots, and then not much, or with supposedly right-wing protests involve the gainfully but rurally employed.

Must have been a conspiracy. The BBC were probably involved somewhere.

Dispersion is a wide umbrella and forms of it certainly aren't 'kid gloves'.

Tactics change very quickly during public order events. The political reasons of the protesters don't mean much when choosing them.

[turbobloke]

La Liga said:

turbobloke said:

Unlike the skull cracking which occurred when police truncheoned Countryside Alliance protesters, it certainly is the case that plod here don't change their pussyfooting approach when legitimate student/momentum/anarchist protests become criminal damage and theft. The same kid gloves from kettling to dispersion are prolonged and cranium cracking is reserved for absolute last ditch responses when buildings have already been burned to the ground in riots, and then not much, or with supposedly right-wing protests involve the gainfully but rurally employed.

Must have been a conspiracy. The BBC were probably involved somewhere.

Non-point, no evidence, well done.

La Liga said:

Dispersion is a wide umbrella and forms of it certainly aren't 'kid gloves'.

Tactics change very quickly during public order events. The political reasons of the protesters don't mean much when choosing them.

Not according to the visible evidence as opposed to your rhetoric,

More evidence might have been recorded if the two Met 4x4s that were resprayed and used to ferry Blair around London while electioneering were still in use and fitted with dashcams.

[anonymous-user]

What evidence? 'Visible evidence' AKA limited superficial, media coverage.

You taking a few injuries from a protest of 400,000 people, and comparing it to your knowledge of the tactics used in other protests.

Then mixing that in with simplistic left / right political affiliation to imply that the left are treated more leniently than the right.

You should have higher standards and be more critical.

[turbobloke]

La Liga said:

What evidence?

You taking a few injuries from a protest of 400,000 people, and comparing it to your knowledge of the tactics used in other protests.

Then mixing that in with simplistic left / right political affiliation to imply that the left are treated more leniently than the right.

I'm not sure you know what evidence is.

Another personal attack mixed in with a strawman generalisation, nice work.

One of us may be dodgy on the evidence front but it's not me. The vacuous condescending tone of your replies speaks volumes. More of the same, please.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

One of us may be dodgy on the evidence front but it's not me. The vacuous condescending tone of your replies speaks volumes. More of the same, please.

You haven't presented any.

You've given an opinion, shown a misunderstanding of one of the two generalised tactics and implied there are differences in approaches due to basic left / right generalisations.

The mentioning of the 'strawman', 'personal attacks', 'condescending' etc are obvious introductions of noise because your opinion can't be supported by anything of substance.

A snapshot from one protest shouldn't allow your imagination to run wild.

[turbobloke]

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

[Earthdweller]

turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

[turbobloke]

Earthdweller said:

turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

I already did - Anthony Blair had use of two resprayed Met 4v4s for electioneering around London. Did you miss it at the time?

[WyrleyD]

Currently watching BFM TV and they say 11,600 demonstrators today and the demonstrators have just dispersed from the Trocadero area.

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

dasigty said:

Week 15, numbers larger than ever as Paris is brought to a standstill again.

[Earthdweller]

turbobloke said:

Earthdweller said:

turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

I already did - Anthony Blair had use of two resprayed Met 4v4s for electioneering around London. Did you miss it at the time?

As PM he would have a Protection detail with Armoured vehicles supplied by the MPS

I’m interested in that you are saying the Met got actively involved in political campaigning and allowed or actively used their vehicles for a purpose other than Policing ?

Which would be a very serious matter and potentially a criminal offence

So, tell me what vehicles, where and when ?

Or are you just spouting bks ?

[Helicopter123]

dasigty said:

Week 15, numbers larger than ever as Paris is brought to a standstill again.

Nope, nothing of the kind.

Very quiet.

[dasigty]

Helicopter123 said:

Nope, nothing of the kind.

Very quiet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

[Cold]

Reuters still think of it as newsworthy. They report the Interior Ministry saying that some 46,600 people joined the protests nationwide, including 5,800 in the capital for the 15th consecutive weekend of demonstrations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests...

[grumbledoak]

Cold said:

Reuters still think of it as newsworthy. They report the Interior Ministry saying that some 46,600 people joined the protests nationwide, including 5,800 in the capital for the 15th consecutive weekend of demonstrations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests...

You can usually double the government figures for protest numbers.

And half those claimed by the protesters! Both sides lie.

So, ongoing, then, despite Macron's "talks".

[turbobloke]

Earthdweller said:

turbobloke said:

Earthdweller said:

turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

I already did - Anthony Blair had use of two resprayed Met 4v4s for electioneering around London. Did you miss it at the time?

As PM he would have a Protection detail with Armoured vehicles supplied by the MPS

I’m interested in that you are saying the Met got actively involved in political campaigning and allowed or actively used their vehicles for a purpose other than Policing ?

Which would be a very serious matter and potentially a criminal offence

So, tell me what vehicles, where and when ?

Or are you just spouting bks ?

Or are you incapable of looking anything up for yourself?

What vehicles: 2 Range Rovers, resprayed, carrying Vote Labour slogans 'for operational reasons'
Where: London and elsewhere
When: April 2005

This from my files showing MSM coverage with comment from Scotland Yard and the (then) Shadow Home Secretary.

[Earthdweller]

Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

[smn159]

Earthdweller said:

Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

MSM conspiracy, surely. Just knowing that TB has the details in his personal files should be enough for anyone.

[turbobloke]

smn159 said:

Earthdweller said:

Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

MSM conspiracy, surely. Just knowing that TB has the details in his personal files should be enough for anyone.

Both posts ^^ are nonsense, very weak efforts indeed. Not unexpected.

It happened as I described though iirc it wasn't covered heavily by the red rag Guardian or its broadcasting outlet the BBC.

If you folks can't find any articles on this you're not looking just wasting pixels on dreck.

"During the May election campaign in 2005, he (Met Sir Ian Blair) permitted police Range Rovers ferrying Tony Blair to carry 'Vote Labour' stickers"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ianbla...

"Shadow Home Secretary David Davis called for the slogans to be removed from the vehicles. He said: "It's essential that the police are impartial. If there are any Labour slogans on cars paid for out of the taxpayers' budget they should be removed immediately."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-345317/Po...

It's nothing to do with any/no additional cost to the Met as their vehicles are already publicly funded and that's why it's simply inappropriate as pointed out in the articles...the Range Rovers were/are for public service not partisan political service which is precisely what electioneering is..Politicised police - not new and not appropriate whatever the politics.