Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France
Discussion
citizensm1th said:
I would have thought the ph massive would enjoy le flicks robust answers to protesters as they are always calling for that type of response when there are protests in this country
EU blinkers at play I think.It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: EU blinkers at play I think.
It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: EU blinkers at play I think.
It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
The brainwashed hatered of anything foreign I think is what you mean It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
i4got said:
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."
Probably fair.I haven't especially kept track of it and thought it had calmed down a bit but some of the stuff I saw earlier in the year didn't look great from the Police.
I just struggle when I see people trying to draw comparisons between that and photos of actual real Nazi's marching up the Champs-Élysées.
That's just weird.
i4got said:
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."
Nope il ignore it because I don't live there and I am not running around French cities wearing a high viz provoking a military force who are set up just for such eventualitys. The crs are not the police btwBugger all to do with my views on the EU as internal security affairs of member states has F. A. To do with the EU
citizensm1th said:
The brainwashed hatered of anything foreign I think is what you mean
It's what I genuinely don't get though.It's as if you could take all of the "Not our Prime Minister" protesters that seemed to rile NP&E after the General Election out of Whitehall and drop them onto the Champs-Élysées wearing "f
k Macron" tee shirts and all of a sudden they'd be cheering them on.It literally makes no sense
Earthdweller said:
That’s a new one on me and I was in the Police in the 80’s!
Every six months we had to go to a day of mandatory “civil defence” training which pretty much comprised watching presentations about how lucky we would be if we were vapourised in the first strike
We didn’t have guns, the only armed patrols were the DPG Ranger units in central London.
Granted each main station had a safe with about a dozen ancient handguns in it and each station had a couple of “authorised shots”
Certainly none of the training I ever got alluded to us all being given guns and being ordered to randomly shoot people
They did have a thing called the “mobile column” where city cops would be sent to a remote army camp to be available to be sent back into the wasteland if Armageddon struck, but that had been abandoned by the 80’s
I do however recall being told during the 90’s that they did have enough handguns to issue one to every operational cop. But what you’d do with a WW2 revolver and no training I’m not so sure
I think most cops would just be as fried as everyone else mind
I had (now dead) a relative who was designated to be one of the unlucky sods who would have been in a position of authority if it had happened and his veiw in later life was he would have gone home to his wife and kids as aircraft carrier uss great britain would have be for all intents and purposes one giant glass ashtray after the Russians had finished with usEvery six months we had to go to a day of mandatory “civil defence” training which pretty much comprised watching presentations about how lucky we would be if we were vapourised in the first strike
We didn’t have guns, the only armed patrols were the DPG Ranger units in central London.
Granted each main station had a safe with about a dozen ancient handguns in it and each station had a couple of “authorised shots”
Certainly none of the training I ever got alluded to us all being given guns and being ordered to randomly shoot people
They did have a thing called the “mobile column” where city cops would be sent to a remote army camp to be available to be sent back into the wasteland if Armageddon struck, but that had been abandoned by the 80’s
I do however recall being told during the 90’s that they did have enough handguns to issue one to every operational cop. But what you’d do with a WW2 revolver and no training I’m not so sure
I think most cops would just be as fried as everyone else mind
Civil defense was mostly bks. Lots of grand plans, all hinging on (quite low level council workers) heading to a bunker and then to dig mass graves, etc... instead of to their families.
My dad had an allocation in a shelter, but he was always clear that he wasn't going to take it up. Given we lived near a primary strike target it was immaterial anyway.
ks. Lots of grand plans, all hinging on (quite low level council workers) heading to a bunker and then to dig mass graves, etc... instead of to their families.My dad had an allocation in a shelter, but he was always clear that he wasn't going to take it up. Given we lived near a primary strike target it was immaterial anyway.
vaud said:
Civil defense was mostly bks. Lots of grand plans, all hinging on (quite low level council workers) heading to a bunker and then to dig mass graves, etc... instead of to their families.
My dad had an allocation in a shelter, but he was always clear that he wasn't going to take it up. Given we lived near a primary strike target it was immaterial anyway.
We often used to joke that if the warning went off we’d blue light it as fast as possible up the M11 to try and outrun the mushroom cloud ks. Lots of grand plans, all hinging on (quite low level council workers) heading to a bunker and then to dig mass graves, etc... instead of to their families.My dad had an allocation in a shelter, but he was always clear that he wasn't going to take it up. Given we lived near a primary strike target it was immaterial anyway.
.We used to have a “secret nuclear bunker” underneath a police training camp and I went a few times with my Sergeant who was the key holder for it
Was quite surreal powering it up and wandering round it, making a couple of phone and radio calls then closing it down and locking it up again
I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case
As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
Earthdweller said:
I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case
As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
This deserves its own thread. There must be quite a few people here who brushed up against all this planning. I'd love to hear more about it. As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
bloomen said:
Earthdweller said:
I did and do still wonder what the designated survivors would have been able to do or whether there’d be anyone left “on top” to do their bidding in any case
As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
This deserves its own thread. There must be quite a few people here who brushed up against all this planning. I'd love to hear more about it. As you mentioned I wonder how many would have left their families and children behind or whether they’d have chosen to stay with their families
NDA said:
What's the alternative - hand over the city to the mob?
That's what the French did when the Germans marched into Paris.Rather than see their city burn, they declared Paris an open city and retreated south, so that when the war was over, they were not having to rebuild a ruin. That's why you get to see the old photos of the Germans marching in formation all neat and tidy, rather than having to fight their way into the city as was the case for the rest of Europe being taken by the Germans during WW2.
It's easy to forget how different the continental European nations history is to the UK, it was far more recent for them to have dictatorships propped up by paramilitary police than we often realise.
It's also easy to forget a lot of mainland Europe has very different gun laws to the UK, gun ownership is common and requires more generally armed police. Our Island really is quite special when it comes to certain aspects of life.
i4got said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: EU blinkers at play I think.
It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
On both sides I'd say. There is certainly an element of 'I'll ignore police brutality in France because it doesn't sit well with my rose-tinted view of the EU."It's quite odd comparing and contrasting the reactions to French protesters when a few turn violent to the reactions when a few protesters take to the street in the UK.
Personally it seems a bit of a double-standard.
Lentilist said:
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.
Here are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others...Lentilist said:
Equally true to say "I'll ignore police brutality in the UK when it's tuition fee protesters, Stop the War coalition or XR activists getting beaten up"? Post on this very forum during such protests would suggest many don't seem to mind the police wading in when it's "eco-loons" or "soap dodgers" on the receiving end.
The Police were not wading in in those occasions you mention, if anything they were seen as being too soft. It was the general public who started to stick the boot in, as seen at the tube station.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff