Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France
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Well, it’s Saturday let’s see what happens today
Macron has ordered protesters to be arrested even if they haven’t done anything and told the police to crack down hard
5k officers in Paris and 85k deployed nationally today to deal with any issues
There’s talk of a mass withdrawal of money from banks whilst the focus of the protests today is the alleged to be the La Defence business district and the tiwm of Bourges in central France. The Mayor there has apparently banned any protest
Let’s see what the day brings
Macron has ordered protesters to be arrested even if they haven’t done anything and told the police to crack down hard
5k officers in Paris and 85k deployed nationally today to deal with any issues
There’s talk of a mass withdrawal of money from banks whilst the focus of the protests today is the alleged to be the La Defence business district and the tiwm of Bourges in central France. The Mayor there has apparently banned any protest
Let’s see what the day brings
dasigty said:
wc98 said:
i think the cries are from a woman looking on. it looks like a bloke being beaten up. i don't know how anyone could stand and watch that happen without intervening.
Its not that simple when the police are acting more like an army of occupation, you will find that the UK police force are fast heading this way. People are now filming police interactions that show a clear "Them and us" mentality, where any desire to help has been replaced with looking for excuses to throw their weight around, not all of them, but enough that it should be of concern.
Whereas in France they have 350k .. half of whom are in the Gendarmerie which is a branch of the French military.. and all of them are armed
Our 6 policepersons had three water cannons until Sadiq Kahn decided to sell them for threepencehapeny
And 5 of the 6 policepersons are full time engaged dealing with Wayne and waynetta and their Facebook insults
zbc said:
I wish - where do I submit my invoice?
I live in the NW, near Luxembourg and here are some of the press reports about the local lycee before Christmas where my children went/go.
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I've seen lots of reports on BBC news and the website about the riots and other situations in France but I wouldn't expect wall to wall coverage.
Also putting on my pedant hat for a moment the closest neighbour country to the UK is actually Ireland with whom we share a land border and I can't remember the last major news story I saw there on the BBC - they must be doing something really terrible but we're just not being told....
Actually not much really happens in Ireland .. not that’s internationally newsworthy anyway ! Or really newsworthy at all I live in the NW, near Luxembourg and here are some of the press reports about the local lycee before Christmas where my children went/go.
link
I've seen lots of reports on BBC news and the website about the riots and other situations in France but I wouldn't expect wall to wall coverage.
Also putting on my pedant hat for a moment the closest neighbour country to the UK is actually Ireland with whom we share a land border and I can't remember the last major news story I saw there on the BBC - they must be doing something really terrible but we're just not being told....
Let’s face it .. it has one city the size of Manchester and a population smaller than greater Manchester and Lancashire combined
Seems the Italian Government has been meeting the Yellow vests
FR24 said
http://f24.my/4OBa
"This new provocation is unacceptable between neighbouring countries and partners at the heart of the European Union," a ministry spokesman said in a statement a day after Di Maio met the protesters on French soil.
"Mr Di Maio, who has governmental responsibilities, should ensure that he does not impair with his repeated interferences our bilateral relations, in the interest of both France and Italy," the spokesman said.
Di Maio, head of the anti-establishment Five-Star Movement (M5S), announced Tuesday he had met near Paris with prominent Yellow Vest protesters Christophe Chalençon and Ingrid Levavasseur, who is heading a Yellow Vest list for European Parliament elections in May.
He invited them and other Yellow Vests to a follow-up meeting in Rome, claiming on Twitter that "The wind of change has crossed the Alps."
Tensions have flared between the two countries since the Five-Star Movement and far-right League party came to power in a coalition in Italy last June.
Di Maio had already drawn Paris's ire last month after he accused France of fuelling the migrant influx to Europe by continuing to "colonise" Africa.
That prompted France to summon Italy's ambassador in protest.
In what has become a recurrent game of one-upmanship, Italy’s other deputy prime minister, the far-right Lega leader Matteo Salvini, soon added his thoughts on the matter, claiming France was looking to extract wealth from Africa rather than helping countries develop their own economies.
"In Libya, France has no interest in stabilising the situation, probably because it has oil interests that are opposed to those of Italy," Salvini told Italian TV. In a Facebook post the next day, he added: "I hope that the French will be able to free themselves from a terrible president."
The Yellow Vest protests against fuel taxes began in rural and small-town France in late November, before ballooning into a wider revolt against Macron's policies and governing style.
The French president is hoping to forge an alliance of pro-European centrists ahead of the bloc's parliamentary vote, against a wave of populist movements in several European countries.
His pro-European pitch and his confrontational stance towards populist and eurosceptic parties in Europe have made him a favourite target for the likes of Di Maio and Salvini.
(FRANCE 24 with AFP)
FR24 said
http://f24.my/4OBa
"This new provocation is unacceptable between neighbouring countries and partners at the heart of the European Union," a ministry spokesman said in a statement a day after Di Maio met the protesters on French soil.
"Mr Di Maio, who has governmental responsibilities, should ensure that he does not impair with his repeated interferences our bilateral relations, in the interest of both France and Italy," the spokesman said.
Di Maio, head of the anti-establishment Five-Star Movement (M5S), announced Tuesday he had met near Paris with prominent Yellow Vest protesters Christophe Chalençon and Ingrid Levavasseur, who is heading a Yellow Vest list for European Parliament elections in May.
He invited them and other Yellow Vests to a follow-up meeting in Rome, claiming on Twitter that "The wind of change has crossed the Alps."
Tensions have flared between the two countries since the Five-Star Movement and far-right League party came to power in a coalition in Italy last June.
Di Maio had already drawn Paris's ire last month after he accused France of fuelling the migrant influx to Europe by continuing to "colonise" Africa.
That prompted France to summon Italy's ambassador in protest.
In what has become a recurrent game of one-upmanship, Italy’s other deputy prime minister, the far-right Lega leader Matteo Salvini, soon added his thoughts on the matter, claiming France was looking to extract wealth from Africa rather than helping countries develop their own economies.
"In Libya, France has no interest in stabilising the situation, probably because it has oil interests that are opposed to those of Italy," Salvini told Italian TV. In a Facebook post the next day, he added: "I hope that the French will be able to free themselves from a terrible president."
The Yellow Vest protests against fuel taxes began in rural and small-town France in late November, before ballooning into a wider revolt against Macron's policies and governing style.
The French president is hoping to forge an alliance of pro-European centrists ahead of the bloc's parliamentary vote, against a wave of populist movements in several European countries.
His pro-European pitch and his confrontational stance towards populist and eurosceptic parties in Europe have made him a favourite target for the likes of Di Maio and Salvini.
(FRANCE 24 with AFP)
Camoradi said:
alfie2244 said:
Bill said:
Earthdweller said:
Seems the Italian Government has been meeting the Yellow vests
It's not actually the Italian government is it. It's a couple of anti-EU party leaders. And the yellow vests aren't exactly a cohesive group. Week 13 and on it goes
Apparently the French equivalent of the UK Speaker had his house firebombed during the week
https://traffic.outbrain.com/network/redir?p=rdBK0...
https://www.france24.com/en/20190202-france-yellow...
Apparently the French equivalent of the UK Speaker had his house firebombed during the week
https://traffic.outbrain.com/network/redir?p=rdBK0...
https://www.france24.com/en/20190202-france-yellow...
Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 9th February 14:57
It’s not surprising though .. it doesn’t fit with their narrative
Long gone are the days when the world sat beside a radio waiting for
“This is the News from the BBC”
To find a truthful unbiased and informative view of the world
Fortunately we now have access to more than the main stream media
Long gone are the days when the world sat beside a radio waiting for
“This is the News from the BBC”
To find a truthful unbiased and informative view of the world
Fortunately we now have access to more than the main stream media
It’s hard to tell from the outside how sentiments are
Perhaps some of our French residents can comment ?
But it seems to me that every action has an equal and opposite reaction as the Govt pass more laws upping the level of Force the Police can use against its citizens the worse their position will get
The idea of the Police being citizens in uniform for the good of their fellow citizens is key to how western democracy works
Once the Police and public are separated and the a police become an arm of the state used to oppress the people then the Govt has lost its legitimacy
So, whilst the moderates might not turn out it doesn’t mean their support has waned
However, not focusing on Paris, it seems that demonstrations were widespread across the whole country again this past weekend
I don’t think it’s over at all
Perhaps some of our French residents can comment ?
But it seems to me that every action has an equal and opposite reaction as the Govt pass more laws upping the level of Force the Police can use against its citizens the worse their position will get
The idea of the Police being citizens in uniform for the good of their fellow citizens is key to how western democracy works
Once the Police and public are separated and the a police become an arm of the state used to oppress the people then the Govt has lost its legitimacy
So, whilst the moderates might not turn out it doesn’t mean their support has waned
However, not focusing on Paris, it seems that demonstrations were widespread across the whole country again this past weekend
I don’t think it’s over at all
citizensm1th said:
The police in France have never policed by consent as we do here, they have always been separated from the public,
There are three types of police local and national which are civil forces and the Gendarmes which are part of the military But, yes I take your point on the style but my sentiment remains the same
Once the state starts to use its forces ( civil/military) against its people it’s on the slippery slope
citizensm1th said:
Digga said:
citizensm1th said:
dasigty said:
We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.
And this is why you are mr tinfoilHow are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?
Do you understand?
Macron has pledged to shut all France’s coal power stations and most of if not all their nuclear powers stations ( currently 75% of energy) and replace with renewables wind/hydro etc
Part of that is to make the use of fossil fuels prohibitely expensive to force people to change, diesel being hit hard because it’s the current bad boy !
Unfortunately the peasantry cannot afford to replace their diesel cars with Tesla’s
So whilst no one ordered the French to increase diesel prices it is their response to the global treaty they signed (in Paris) to reduce their carbon footprint
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