Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France
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The Dangerous Elk said:
La Liga said:
Or alternatively, perhaps interpret what you see according to your own biases.
Perhaps believe what you see as a default?The neutral thinker you're suggesting is less likely to be so confident with their own conclusions, and recognise there's a lot they don't know.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Not on Live 24 it is not.
Paris is in riot and the BBC now have repeats of Brexit/Leave protesters talking outside HoC
Laughable that people are so blinkered.
There's nothing shown on RT apart from police officers milling about in a small PiP. Paris is in riot and the BBC now have repeats of Brexit/Leave protesters talking outside HoC
Laughable that people are so blinkered.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Saturday 8th December 14:43
Paris is hardly in riot. Demonstrations are a French past-time. This weekend seems calm compared to those in the past. There are an estimated 31,000 demonstrators across the whole country.
Laughable and blinkered yes, but I doubt it applies to news outlets.
Watch the Russian YT channel. They, like you it seems, are wetting themselves with the thrill of rioting in France, but it ain’t happening on their channel. They are concentrating on waste bins on fire at the moment. Real serious stuff, although I doubt the BBC News will get than many clicks on it.
There’s a car on fire on the Sun YT channel. In 2005 there were thousands of cars, and a number of buildings, torched. This is mild in comparison.
It might kick off, and I think it is likely, but I also think that, at the moment, the BBC can cover it in their normal news sections. There’s an update at 3pm.
Halb said:
first page of the beeb, 100s arrested and tear gas on the streets of France, yip, sure are keeping it a lid on what's happening, sneaky bbc 
Articles are updated. I looked earlier (see previous post) and saw no mention of the origin of unrest in Macron's G20 speech criticising other nations for not taxing the bejeezus out of voters on the basis of climate fariytales nor his subsequent speech at the Elysée Palace about his ecology transition strartegy which was meant to show Trump how to save the planet Macron may save his own ass, maybe, and the planet won't care either way. If you can show where the climate basis for Macron's abandoned policy is on the BBC main news articles atm, that would be helpful.
To sort the ecolie infection rather than block the symptoms, the root cause needs to be known and acted upon.
Halb said:
first page of the beeb, 100s arrested and tear gas on the streets of France, yip, sure are keeping it a lid on what's happening, sneaky bbc
Not sure is this is an attempt at irony. The police seem to be doing well at the moment. The arrests started before the demo properly, some 270 or more, presumably as a tactical move. The police are being hurt by roses and insults it seems.
I've been on a few violent demonstrations. This, from a policing point of view, is mild at the moment.
From what I've seen, some of those in the front line of demonstrators are the habitual rioters. They are out to disrupt not because of climate change but for what they can get out of it. Shops will be broken into later, but not Starbucks for political reasons, but purely on the grounds of what will be best to loot.
Derek Smith said:
Even the Russian propaganda outlet on YouTube is showing nothing going on.
The Sun YT shows shoppers coming away due to the tear gas.
Noting to see at the moment. If it is going to come, it will come later on.
You think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsrN3008bsThe Sun YT shows shoppers coming away due to the tear gas.
Noting to see at the moment. If it is going to come, it will come later on.
Vanden Saab said:
Derek Smith said:
Even the Russian propaganda outlet on YouTube is showing nothing going on.
The Sun YT shows shoppers coming away due to the tear gas.
Noting to see at the moment. If it is going to come, it will come later on.
You think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsrN3008bsThe Sun YT shows shoppers coming away due to the tear gas.
Noting to see at the moment. If it is going to come, it will come later on.
turbobloke said:
andy_s said:
La Liga said:
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
Predictable BBC bash. Second down for me on latest and most read (after the NZ murder).
That swerve is transparentAs lightweight and unconvincing as it gets - 'aIt's not a persoll' La Liga had to do was avoid personal angles (ho ho ho) and provide on-topic evidence (none available) oh dear never mind.
As per the next post - who else is covering it in the way you want?
turbobloke said:
Halb said:
first page of the beeb, 100s arrested and tear gas on the streets of France, yip, sure are keeping it a lid on what's happening, sneaky bbc
Articles are updated. I looked earlier (see previous post) and saw no mention of the origin of unrest in Macron's G20 speech criticising other nations for not taxing the bejeezus out of voters on the basis of climate fariytales nor his subsequent speech at the Elysée Palace about his ecology transition strartegy which was meant to show Trump how to save the planet Macron may save his own ass, maybe, and the planet won't care either way. If you can show where the climate basis for Macron's abandoned policy is on the BBC main news articles atm, that would be helpful.
To sort the ecolie infection rather than block the symptoms, the root cause needs to be known and acted upon.
You're wanting to go to (what you think is) the cause of the cause of the effect.
Are any / many news organisations doing that?
Do you think you may be adding too much weight to that aspect given your rather strong views on climate change?
I doubt the BBC could satisfy you short of saying exactly what you want to hear.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 8th December 20:31
Derek Smith said:
Not sure is this is an attempt at irony. The police seem to be doing well at the moment. The arrests started before the demo properly, some 270 or more, presumably as a tactical move.
The police are being hurt by roses and insults it seems.
I've been on a few violent demonstrations. This, from a policing point of view, is mild at the moment.
From what I've seen, some of those in the front line of demonstrators are the habitual rioters. They are out to disrupt not because of climate change but for what they can get out of it. Shops will be broken into later, but not Starbucks for political reasons, but purely on the grounds of what will be best to loot.
It is. It's just so funny to see the usual tripe on how the Beeb (no other news agency exists) is hiding the agenda of insert loony theory here/ The police are being hurt by roses and insults it seems.
I've been on a few violent demonstrations. This, from a policing point of view, is mild at the moment.
From what I've seen, some of those in the front line of demonstrators are the habitual rioters. They are out to disrupt not because of climate change but for what they can get out of it. Shops will be broken into later, but not Starbucks for political reasons, but purely on the grounds of what will be best to loot.
Vanden Saab said:
You think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsrN3008bs
At the moment they are showing lots of people standing around. So yes, I think.There are lower numbers of demonstrators today, at least in the capital, but number alone are insignificant. What we need to know is how many are organised, how many are anarchists, how many are merely out for looting and such.
The problem with TV coverage is that those who don't really know what goes on in demonstrations can easily get a false idea of what is actually happening. If a police officer wants a quiet life, all he has to do is stay away from the cameras. If one wants overtime through arrests, then even now I'm certain I could give some pointers.
Wobbegong said:
Red 4 said:
90,000 Police.
Don't mess about do they ?
For anyone wondering we couldn't muster anything anywhere near that number.
Ever.
For the entire country.
Not just one city.
I think the 90 000 was for the whole country. Still impressive though!Don't mess about do they ?
For anyone wondering we couldn't muster anything anywhere near that number.
Ever.
For the entire country.
Not just one city.
Depends which reports you listen to.
Some say 8000 riot police in Paris (I'd assume they mean CRS and Gendarmes Mobile in addition to "normal" police.
Others are saying 89,000 police have been mobilised.
Mobilised to where ?
90k does seem a lot in one place at the same time.
Logistics would be a nightmare.
France does have double our numbers of police though. (250,00 compared to 120,000 for E&W).
Edited by Red 4 on Saturday 8th December 16:39
Derek Smith said:
They are out to disrupt not because of climate change but for what they can get out of it.
They aren't on the streets for a climate change cause Derek, they are there in protest at the high tax rises that were implemented, and were due to be increased yet again, in the name of climate change.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff