Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

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WyrleyD said:

I've given up trying to explain why all this is happening as it would appear that those outside France just can't grasp the situation. Here in deepest darkest Limousin the hate for Macron and his ilk has to be heard/seen to be believed, there seems to be a growing number of hand-painted FREXIT signs appearing locally beside the roads and on bridges. The remark you made about cutting spending or raising taxes is correct but the trouble is Macron doesn't seem to be able to do either. Another thing a lot do not understand is that the Police are "police", generally in the bigger towns and cities but Gendarme are in effect para-military and operate out side of the main centres of population.

Some of us are very grateful for you ( and others) personal insights into what is going on

Thanks

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citizensm1th said:

Earthdweller said:

citizensm1th said:

Digga said:

citizensm1th said:

dasigty said:

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

Not directly but both the ECB and the IMF have repeatedly and, with growing forcefulness, warned France about it's budget deficit. It is not sustainable. So the choices are spend less or tax more.

Do you understand?

oh i totally understand that no one ordered the french government to raise fuel tax let alone the EU so how come mr tinfoil is saying it is the EU,s fault?

The Paris Climate accord is pretty responsible where a number of nations pledged a low carbon future, with one very big Country pulling out (guess who)


Macron has pledged to shut all France’s coal power stations and most of if not all their nuclear powers stations ( currently 75% of energy) and replace with renewables wind/hydro etc

Part of that is to make the use of fossil fuels prohibitely expensive to force people to change, diesel being hit hard because it’s the current bad boy !

Unfortunately the peasantry cannot afford to replace their diesel cars with Tesla’s

So whilst no one ordered the French to increase diesel prices it is their response to the global treaty they signed (in Paris) to reduce their carbon footprint

I know that and you know that but some on here keep trying to say it is the fault of the EU and the EU told the french what to do.

pure fruit loop batst crazy rubbish

Personally I find it crazy that one of the few European countries that is virtually self sufficient in energy is shutting it all down to be virtuous!

Macron is clearly divorced from the reality of life in rural France away from the fancy arrondisements of Paris

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Right this st just got serious !

Think of the cars

https://youtu.be/lJpNtkH822k

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citizensm1th said:

go read the wiki page i linked above ,i know you gooners find it hard sometimes but really

It is rated as a non lethal noise and gas grenade and as far as i know it worked perfectly

Yup, it didn’t kill him

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turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

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turbobloke said:

Earthdweller said:

turbobloke said:

Out of interest and back on-topic I just took a look at the main BBC News webpage and their World News page and there's nothing on the Paris protests though Mexico and Algeria protests do feature. At least Blair could move around London while electioneering in resprayed Met 4x4s, something which according to reports not on the BBC site would not be possible for Macron in Paris even if he had the cojones to get out from behind his desk, where spinning on protester numbers is still possible.

The oft-maligned RT does better with live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFT7CmBRhxg

Resprayed Met 4x4’s ?

Enlighten me please

I already did - Anthony Blair had use of two resprayed Met 4v4s for electioneering around London. Did you miss it at the time?

As PM he would have a Protection detail with Armoured vehicles supplied by the MPS

I’m interested in that you are saying the Met got actively involved in political campaigning and allowed or actively used their vehicles for a purpose other than Policing ?

Which would be a very serious matter and potentially a criminal offence

So, tell me what vehicles, where and when ?

Or are you just spouting bks ?

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Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

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smn159 said:

Earthdweller said:

Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

MSM conspiracy, surely. Just knowing that TB has the details in his personal files should be enough for anyone.

Surprisingly .. I spent more time than I should searching for these 4v4’s online or any mention of them .... but no not a single pic or word about them ..odd very odd

But there ARE plenty of pics of Blair out and about campaigning in his official car during the 2005 election campaign

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Here’s TB arriving at the Labour victory party in his Vote Labour Jaguar in 05



Here’s Blair arriving back at Downing Street having won the Election in his Vote Labour official car

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turbobloke said:

smn159 said:

Earthdweller said:

Were they deployed ?

Or was there a ststorm which stopped them being used .., probably the latter as I said above it could be a criminal offence

I can find no link to any articles nor any pictures online depicting them

Perhaps you coiukd furnish the links ?

MSM conspiracy, surely. Just knowing that TB has the details in his personal files should be enough for anyone.

Both posts ^^ are nonsense, very weak efforts indeed. Not unexpected.

It happened as I described though iirc it wasn't covered heavily by the red rag Guardian or its broadcasting outlet the BBC.

If you folks can't find any articles on this you're not looking just wasting pixels on dreck.

"During the May election campaign in 2005, he (Met Sir Ian Blair) permitted police Range Rovers ferrying Tony Blair to carry 'Vote Labour' stickers"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ianbla...

"Shadow Home Secretary David Davis called for the slogans to be removed from the vehicles. He said: "It's essential that the police are impartial. If there are any Labour slogans on cars paid for out of the taxpayers' budget they should be removed immediately."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-345317/Po...

It's nothing to do with any/no additional cost to the Met as their vehicles are already publicly funded and that's why it's simply inappropriate as pointed out in the articles...the Range Rovers were/are for public service not partisan political service which is precisely what electioneering is..Politicised police - not new and not appropriate whatever the politics.

Pmsl

So 4v4’s resprayed and repainted in vote Labour livery becomes ..

Had a little yellow sticker in the window saying “Vote Labour” which was probably promptly removed

FFS

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turbobloke said:

Earthdweller said:

So 4v4’s resprayed and repainted in vote Labour livery becomes ..

Had a little yellow sticker in the window saying “Vote Labour” which was probably promptly removed

Thanks for confirming that what I said happened is what happened.

Three sources already confirmed it so you didn't need to but well done anyway.

Yes resprayed and yes with Vote Labour slogans.

Your made-up fairy story about removing little stickers is awesome. Sore loser not much.

Nowhere does it say in any of those articles the vehicles were resprayed into a Labour Livery

I’d suggest that due to the threat levels .. armoured vehicles already in service and in full Police livery were de-liveried to provide additional VIP coverage as Blair travelled Nationally and the standing covert armoured fleet was insufficient

The articles say “vote Labour” stickers in the window !

Once again .. show me a picture of these vote Labour Range Rovers ?

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Dindoit said:

There must be plenty of photos of these 4x4 with VOTE LABOUR “emblazoned” on them? Or maybe they don’t exist because they don’t exist?

It’s all rather strange .. there are hundreds of photos online of Blair during the 2005 election campaign

Dozens of photos of him next to, or in, Official cars

Not one .. has any visible “Vote Labour” markings

If TB .. that’s turbo not Tony can show me a pic of one of these Vote Labour liveried Range Rovers I’ll accept it

But he hasn’t and I’m not holding my breath for him to do so

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turbobloke said:

dasigty said:

turbobloke said:

After asking me for evidence and getting it this alternative of 'No Evidence' when justifying twaddle is impressive.

Do you reckon the drivers wore yellow vests

You are banging your head against a brick wall TB, some sheeple just can not accept the truth.

Thank goodness what I posted was shown to be accurate. Just think of the intemperate responses, wild stories with no evidence just irony, and desperate theories that would have emerged if it wasn't backed by three separate sources saying the same thing as my post.

So far we've had temporary little stickers (was that not a Postman Pat story?) and a unicorn theory - when both Scotland Yard and a Shadow Home Secretary are quoted on the events of 2005.

Ok, I’m genuinely interested because in 2005 I was a Traffic Sgt in a major northern police force, having recently left the Met

Local forces provided the motorcycle escort, pilot and tail cars for the Met Security details

Vehicles for use by the principals would often travel independently from their intended users and be pre-positioned. On numerous occasions they were garaged at our secure unit. We also frequently borrowed vehicles from manufacturers to boost our capability

Having seen Blair, and others, frequently during the election campaign, and being involved in providing his security, I can honestly say I never saw ANY Vote Labour liveried vehicles nor any bearing any political affiliation at all

I’m speaking from my personal experience, you are quoting the Daily Wail ( note :don’t believe every thing you read in the paper)

Now if at some point vehicles had Vote Labour stickers on them, I’m sure they would very quickly have been removed .. but, I never saw any vehicles with them

But you are asserting that vehicles were resprayed into Vote Labour livery and used on the campaign trail

Well, as one who was actually involved in protecting Blair in that campaign I’m saying I never saw them

If you say they were .. then show us a picture of one of them during the campaign your ability to search the internet seems far better than mine

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Cold said:

Someone point out the link to the Yellow Vest protests, please. I'm struggling to make the connection.

Fair point, well made

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As week 17 of the protests loom Grenoble in Eastern France has burned for the last four nights following the deaths of two teenagers riding a stolen scooter into the side of a bus whilst being pursued by the Police

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1096667/franc...

Meanwhile today the UN has called for an investigation into the actions of the French Police in subduing the yellow vest protests

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loafer123 said:

Helicopter123 said:

Earthdweller said:

As week 17 of the protests loom Grenoble in Eastern France has burned for the last four nights following the deaths of two teenagers riding a stolen scooter into the side of a bus whilst being pursued by the Police

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1096667/franc...

This is is a thread about the yellow vests, please keep all posts relevant to the topic, thank you

It is completely on topic. The Yellow Vests are a symptom of a wider divide in France between the metropolitan elite of Paris and the rest of the country.

Riots in Grenoble or the Banlieu (sp?) are on the same subjects, with overlapping participants.

Loafer I agree with you

I posted it for two reasons

1. It illustrates the social issues in France

2. Incidents like this have spread nationally in recent years causing widespread damage and effecting resilience in the Police, which coupled with the weekend events may break the Police’s ability to cope

Meanwhile this weekend, sit down protests and occupations are planned across the country including at Paris Roisy airport

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817995/T...

As it continues, Macron returns from another holiday and Trump weighs in saying the Paris Climate accord is working out well for France

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andy_s said:

OK, it may not last but... For the past month in Algeria there have been protests at the proposed 5th term of President Boutiflika. Last week he tried to appease the population by giving up running for another term and replaced the PM and has started setting up a technocratic government. But the people are cynical and want the whole lot to go - everyone associated with 'le pouvoir'.

Their big day is Fridays. Last Friday about 4 million gathered in Algiers and an estimated 8 million across the country in the larger towns. That's pretty much a third of the population.

But these guys have been clever. First of all it is completely peaceful, people bring their kids, many are elderly, women or normal Joes, so there is no excuse or capability to break things up with violence or arrest ringleaders - the people have been briefed to suss out any 'agent provocateurs' who foment trouble and give them to the Gendarmes. Second there is no one 'leader' so the govt. can't decapitate - loose leadership rotates daily between some lawyers, teachers and students and social media guides everyone. Even the Gendarmerie has been singing with the crowds.

It'll be interesting to see where it goes, setting up a whole new system is not going to happen over-night and usually situations reach a zenith before deteriorating into in-fighting or differences of opinion over small matters. Can they hold the line? "Syria started with roses", said the erstwhile PM, "but ended with blood", but the people aren't stupid and realise other forces were at work in that situation.

Anyway, apropos of nothing in particular but interesting to contrast with France at the moment - who also have a finger in the pie in Algeria, being tacit supporters of le pouvoir since they got the boot. Interesting times.

I must admit I’ve been following this .. my news sources have become more diverse of late due to Sky, BBC et al being so far up their introspective asses

FR24, Euronews and others have been covering it quite widely amongst over events

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As Macron ski’d in the Pyrenees whilst Paris burned for the 18th week the cost of him cutting short his apre-ski is the sacking of the Paris Police Chief.

The interior minister has announced that protesting in Paris is now illegal and anyone taking part in a protest will be fined €135, whilst asserting that the Police will crack down harder

Setting up nicely for week 19 it seems

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Fr24 today saying that Macron has called in the Army to assist with the expected protests this weekend as he ramps up the crack down on the Yellow Vests

I do wonder how the images of the French Army fighting against French citizens on the Champs Elysee will go down