Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
paulrockliffe said:
Ha ha, he's nailed on as things stand. Brexit voters can see he's still a brexiteer and is probably the best chance we have now of leaving properly, so I wouldn't count on the 17.4m riding to Mays's rescue.
That would be a choice.Vote Labour, get Brexit, be no longer able to afford to live in my own country and have to move to Europe.
paulrockliffe said:
This is such rubbish, she doesn't have 12 months at all, she has until Corbyn puts his motion down, the Parliamentary numbers are now clear on that.
You will see that this will have a significant effect, she will not just chalk it up as another one of her spectacular victories.
FYI, Thatcher got 204 votes and resigned.
In other words, she's probably got 12 months. Corbyn is unlikely to try to bring down the government. That wouldn't suit him at all at the present. Further, I don't thin the DUP want to give him a chance at forming a government. Just a thought with that one. You will see that this will have a significant effect, she will not just chalk it up as another one of her spectacular victories.
FYI, Thatcher got 204 votes and resigned.
This has, if anything, reinforced her position. Mogg has shown himself to be a poor tactician. Who'd have thought?
Thatcher's position was somewhat different. It was a leadership election. Even then, she got her way, ensuring Hestletine was kept out and Major elected.
johnxjsc1985 said:
650 MP's she has the backing of 200 how in the name of sanity does she think she can continue to get her deal through its dead and we need to accept it and look at the options for Parliament to consider .
Name an alternative?650/2 = 325
-200 = 125 others in favour of the deal
Possible?
king arthur said:
No this is the wrong analysis. There may be 117 Tory MPs who want May removed, but there are 0 Tory MPs who want Corbyn in. Same goes for the DUP. So if Labour table a no confidence motion they still won't have the numbers to win it.
It doesn't matter. A successful no confidence vote doesn't automatically hand the keys to No 10 to Corbyn. The current governing party gets first shot at putting something together (2 weeks I believe?). So it's a gamble, but it only needs 7 out of the DUP and those 117 Tories to decide it's a gamble worth taking - assuming, of course, that no saboteurs from the opposition support the Government.
ATG said:
Nothing's changed since the Major years. A large minority of the parliamentary party remain a bunch of EU obsessed t
ts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there.
These incompetents have just made Remain substantially more likely. They've undermined May reducing the chances of her getting any further concessions from the EU yet further. The govt are not going to allow a disorderly exit from the EU and there's bugger all chance of passing the current deal, so the chance of delaying exit has increased substantially.
We’ll only get a better deal from the eu if the eu want to avoid a no deal.ts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there.These incompetents have just made Remain substantially more likely. They've undermined May reducing the chances of her getting any further concessions from the EU yet further. The govt are not going to allow a disorderly exit from the EU and there's bugger all chance of passing the current deal, so the chance of delaying exit has increased substantially.
Doesn’t a weaker may make a no deal more likely?
She is weak because her deal is unpopular.
So if the eu want an agreement tnen tney need to make concessiobs.
Or am i missing something?
Are the eu expecting remain or extended art 50?
paulrockliffe said:
Ha ha, he's nailed on as things stand. Brexit voters can see he's still a brexiteer and is probably the best chance we have now of leaving properly, so I wouldn't count on the 17.4m riding to Mays's rescue.
even though May is in terrible trouble she is still way ahead of him in the Polls he is nailed on to lose. 
ATG said:
Nothing's changed since the Major years. A large minority of the parliamentary party remain a bunch of EU obsessed tts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there.
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The tory party has ripped itself apart over europe for decades, it is the one subject you can guarantee that they will never fail to explode over.ts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there..
Until the tory party decides on a policy over europe and expels those that will not support the will of the party it will always happen.
predictable and hilarious
toppstuff said:
Derek Smith said:
Mogg has shown himself to be a poor tactician. Who'd have thought?
I think there are tribes in New Guinea who know JRM hasn’t got a clue. Derek Smith said:
In other words, she's probably got 12 months. Corbyn is unlikely to try to bring down the government. That wouldn't suit him at all at the present. Further, I don't thin the DUP want to give him a chance at forming a government. Just a thought with that one.
This has, if anything, reinforced her position. Mogg has shown himself to be a poor tactician. Who'd have thought?
Thatcher's position was somewhat different. It was a leadership election. Even then, she got her way, ensuring Hestletine was kept out and Major elected.
It really hasn't, before the vote the talk was of 48 rebels, now the true numbers are out. May is utterly fThis has, if anything, reinforced her position. Mogg has shown himself to be a poor tactician. Who'd have thought?
Thatcher's position was somewhat different. It was a leadership election. Even then, she got her way, ensuring Hestletine was kept out and Major elected.
ked. Any chance of pushing through a non-Brexit Brexit have gone. Her only option now is an orderly exit under WTO rules with Labour support. Mogg has played a blinder.... You've got to laugh at John McDonnell: "Shocking result for Theresa May. Even having offered to go before the next general election she still has a huge 117 Tory MPs, a third of her party, voting against her and not having confidence in her. Wow."
I rather think that's still more than Corbyn managed of his MPs.
I rather think that's still more than Corbyn managed of his MPs.
saaby93 said:
It's still looking like a divided party Now another ERG guy Mark Francois on tv
Surely when you get a vote like this you respect the result and swing behind it
Well you’d think so, but the past two years have shown that crying and stamping your feet when you lose is the way to go. Surely when you get a vote like this you respect the result and swing behind it
saaby93 said:
Name an alternative?
650/2 = 325
-200 = 125 others in favour of the deal
Possible?
I could probably get closer to giving you the winning lottery numbers. She has lied to the public and in particular the DUP and the people of N.I. The only way forward is not another referendum that will just be even more traumatic a G.E has to be on the Horizon.650/2 = 325
-200 = 125 others in favour of the deal
Possible?
Vanden Saab said:
It really hasn't, before the vote the talk was of 48 rebels, now the true numbers are out. May is utterly fked. Any chance of pushing through a non-Brexit Brexit have gone. Her only option now is an orderly exit under WTO rules with Labour support. Mogg has played a blinder....
Have you been paying any attention at all or are you being ironic ?ked. Any chance of pushing through a non-Brexit Brexit have gone. Her only option now is an orderly exit under WTO rules with Labour support. Mogg has played a blinder.... 
The parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
It is as if you are watching a completely different reality.
paulrockliffe said:
Greg66 said:
They fked it. They weren’t even close. And they’ve handed her another year, bulletproof from attack.
This is such rubbish, she doesn't have 12 months at all, she has until Corbyn puts his motion down, the Parliamentary numbers are now clear on that.ked it. They weren’t even close. And they’ve handed her another year, bulletproof from attack. You will see that this will have a significant effect, she will not just chalk it up as another one of her spectacular victories.
FYI, Thatcher got 204 votes and resigned.
Corbyn is s
t scared of a no confidence motion because he might win it and then he’d have to take over as chief orchestrator of the disaster. Even if he did table a motion he would lose it. The DUP would rather vote for Sinn Fein than for Corbyn. And FYI, Thatcher’s 204 votes was 55% of the parliamentary party. May’s 200 is 63%. Stupid comparison.
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