Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
philv said:
ATG said:
Nothing's changed since the Major years. A large minority of the parliamentary party remain a bunch of EU obsessed t
ts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there.
These incompetents have just made Remain substantially more likely. They've undermined May reducing the chances of her getting any further concessions from the EU yet further. The govt are not going to allow a disorderly exit from the EU and there's bugger all chance of passing the current deal, so the chance of delaying exit has increased substantially.
We’ll only get a better deal from the eu if the eu want to avoid a no deal.ts. For decades they've failed to hijack the party line. If they genuinely had the courage of their convictions they'd have pissed off years ago and no doubt taken a larger percentage of the grassroots with them. The door is still there.These incompetents have just made Remain substantially more likely. They've undermined May reducing the chances of her getting any further concessions from the EU yet further. The govt are not going to allow a disorderly exit from the EU and there's bugger all chance of passing the current deal, so the chance of delaying exit has increased substantially.
Doesn’t a weaker may make a no deal more likely?
She is weak because her deal is unpopular.
So if the eu want an agreement tnen tney need to make concessiobs.
Or am i missing something?
Are the eu expecting remain or extended art 50?
toppstuff said:
Vanden Saab said:
It really hasn't, before the vote the talk was of 48 rebels, now the true numbers are out. May is utterly fked. Any chance of pushing through a non-Brexit Brexit have gone. Her only option now is an orderly exit under WTO rules with Labour support. Mogg has played a blinder....
Have you been paying any attention at all or are you being ironic ?ked. Any chance of pushing through a non-Brexit Brexit have gone. Her only option now is an orderly exit under WTO rules with Labour support. Mogg has played a blinder.... 
The parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
It is as if you are watching a completely different reality.
toppstuff said:
Have you been paying any attention at all or are you being ironic ?
The parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
It is as if you are watching a completely different reality.
So the Hard Brexiteers will remain hard brexitThe parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
It is as if you are watching a completely different reality.
So are the Remainers going to swing behind May's leave deal
Or are then May's deal lot going to become Remainers
Or are the above two going to strike a deal and kick Article 50 down the road a couple of years and risk being annihilated at the ballot box
toppstuff said:
The parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
You do realise that it's the default option and only needs the clock to run out? It's the only thing they don't need to agree on because the already allowed it. Anything else requires - at a minimum - a vote to pass it. Plus for some of the options extra legislation and the agreement of the ECJ (for remain / A50 withdrawl) or the EU members.
So saying it won't happen isn't something that can be claimed with absolute certainty.
Jonesy23 said:
toppstuff said:
The parliamentary majority will never allow WTO rules / hard Brexit. Never.
You do realise that it's the default option and only needs the clock to run out? It's the only thing they don't need to agree on because the already allowed it. Anything else requires - at a minimum - a vote to pass it. Plus for some of the options extra legislation and the agreement of the ECJ (for remain / A50 withdrawl) or the EU members.
So saying it won't happen isn't something that can be claimed with absolute certainty.
Halb said:
sim72 said:
Ironically, 200 is one more than when she was elected in the first place - 199, and there were 13 more Tory MPs for that one as well.
'ironically'?
kurt535 said:
Funny how brexit self harmers are bhing TM having 'ONLY' 2/3rds majority of her party is a weak result yet the brexit vote outcome is quite ok, despite how tiny it was. Double standards!!
Most of her votes were 'the payroll' - MPs who have roles thanks to TM.hing TM having 'ONLY' 2/3rds majority of her party is a weak result yet the brexit vote outcome is quite ok, despite how tiny it was. Double standards!!Most of the free MPs voted against her.
She's in trouble.
johnxjsc1985 said:
650 MP's she has the backing of 200 how in the name of sanity does she think she can continue to get her deal through its dead and we need to accept it and look at the options for Parliament to consider .
I’m not sure it’s quite that simple. Say 200 Con MPs positively like the May deal. That doesn’t mean only 200 would vote for it.
It’s like this: 10 people out of 30 positively like celery. But if you offered all 30 a choice for lunch between celery and a dogs
t sandwich, I bet more than 10 would take the celery. Puggit said:
kurt535 said:
Funny how brexit self harmers are bhing TM having 'ONLY' 2/3rds majority of her party is a weak result yet the brexit vote outcome is quite ok, despite how tiny it was. Double standards!!
Most of her votes were 'the payroll' - MPs who have roles thanks to TM.hing TM having 'ONLY' 2/3rds majority of her party is a weak result yet the brexit vote outcome is quite ok, despite how tiny it was. Double standards!!Most of the free MPs voted against her.
She's in trouble.
He’s over reaching. He lost.
Indeed. He's old news. Boris has had his day. Whatever happens next it won't be either of them in the news... Puggit said:
Most of her votes were 'the payroll' - MPs who have roles thanks to TM.
Most of the free MPs voted against her.
She's in trouble.
That's pretty much the size of it. You could say all the back benchers, not just the ERG, but the moderates, voted against her.Most of the free MPs voted against her.
She's in trouble.
She is too stupid to see that's untenable, so will just push on with her idiocy.
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