Theresa May (Vol.2)

[citizensm1th]

Jimboka said:

don'tbesilly said:

citizensm1th said:

don'tbesilly said:

CS is just overwhelmed with joy.

He can still tell the grand kiddies that he voted for May so she can 'own' Brexit.

He's probably already put in his own request to May for a framed photo with an autograph so the grand kiddies know just who May was

And the tories are acting just as predicted, how is your brexit going? all i need now is a no deal/wto and mine is complete. happy days

The alternative being May's deal, it sounds like you and I want the same thing.

I'll ask for May's autographed pic in a frame if that's what we end up with, and post it on, is that a deal?

The choice (peoples vote) will be between Mays (soft Brexit) deal, or remain. Happy days.

If and it is still a big If there is a second vote i will once again vote to remain, as it is i think mays deal or a no deal outcome is more likely . and my preference is at the moment to give the brexiteers exactly what they voted for and indeed as we are reminded by May herself brexit means brexit so no deal it has to be and lets see how they like it.

[Elysium]

chow pan toon said:

The irony of the extreme Brexiteers trying to push a narrative that May's victory wasn't wide enough when they've been moaning at remainers for not accepting a 52/48 result would be funny if it wasn't so bloody annoying and crassly stupid.

Stop trying to thwart the will of the people!

[anonymous-user]

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

[_Sorted_]

desolate said:

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

If a good percentage of your family or work mates voted you a sausage jockey would you feel more positive? May has won but lost mid/long term for her and her party.

[anonymous-user]

_Sorted_ said:

If a good percentage of your family or work mates voted you a sausage jockey would you feel more positive? May has won but lost mid/long term for her and her party.

As the vote is all about Brexit that's a win isn't it?

[MYOB]

desolate said:

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

She now knows that a third of her party are unlikely to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, and risk a "no deal". Thus the onus and expectations now fall to the official opposition to mount a "no confidence" vote against the Govt.

But I wouldn't say ERG played a blinder! They got the timing wrong.

[saaby93]

MYOB said:

desolate said:

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

She now knows that a third of her party are unlikely to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, and risk a "no deal". Thus the onus and expectations now fall to the official opposition to mount a "no confidence" vote against the Govt.

But I wouldn't say ERG played a blinder! They got the timing wrong.

Do you think ERGs aim is to make the Government fall?

[anonymous-user]

MYOB said:

She now knows that a third of her party are unlikely to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, and risk a "no deal". Thus the onus and expectations now fall to the official opposition to mount a "no confidence" vote against the Govt.

But I wouldn't say ERG played a blinder! They got the timing wrong.

Surely she knew her deal was a non-starter when she withdrew the meaningful vote?

[psi310398]

desolate said:

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

What the vote has shown is that around two thirds of the MPs who do not owe her their jobs do not support her. It is also a straw in the wind for the withdrawal agreement vote.

A third of the 317 Conservative MPs is 106. 117 is 37 per cent, close on two of in five. Then consider the payroll vote which would normally be assumed to vote for her and to preserve their pay and rations.

The outcome is that 62 per cent of the non-payroll voted against her, an unarguable majority. Or that percentage falls (as it was a secret ballot) but that then raises the scarier prospect (for her) that her payroll MPs opposed her without having the courage to resign.

I'm not sure why she is ploughing on.

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

I'm not sure why she is ploughing on.

Because she is remain, as is the majority of the senior tories that matter.

Their focus is on either remain or the nearest to it. She has been saying that for weeks ("support me or risk no brexit"), and all the "hard brexit" camp have been saying the only chance for a proper brexit is to have a brexiteer in charge. That ship has now sailed.

[majordad]

Silly Boy Pike as Captain Manwairing used say. She’s given her best , and the best you’re going to be offered, maybe some small concessions will be offered but that’s your lot.
Reject the deal and face a decade of hardship. Continue to do business with the DUP and reap the fruits of that. They already have shown that they have little respect and loyalty to you.

And the equally mad Scotswoman is ready to pounce and reap the benefits.

[Vanden Saab]

MYOB said:

desolate said:

I read on hear somewhere that a poster thought ERG/JRM had "played a blinder".

I am not trying to st stir so don't want the main remain posters to chime in with unhelpful sarcasm but I am really struggling to see how today's vote has advanced their cause.

Can someone say how?

She now knows that a third of her party are unlikely to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, and risk a "no deal". Thus the onus and expectations now fall to the official opposition to mount a "no confidence" vote against the Govt.

But I wouldn't say ERG played a blinder! They got the timing wrong.

Not at all the timing was perfect, If you accept the aim was not to get May to resign (who would want the job at the moment?) but to send a clear message that over a third of her party wanted a proper Brexit and would vote against anything that didn't provide that.. They had to trigger it before any vote of confidence by the opposition as it would have looked a bit silly to do it after they had voted in favour of May and the Gov. Now they can happily vote for her saying there was a vote within the party which went her way.

May cannot now cancel or delay Brexit as not only would she risk losing up to a third of her party but would also be responsible for the decision that would lead to the Tories biggest ever election defeat...Compared to that the "risk" of no deal pales into insignificance...

[B'stard Child]

techiedave said:

She must be stressed
She needs a relaxing neck massage and a cup of td's hot choccy

How can you make that image in my head just utterly sick.......................

Appreciate it's my head......

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Not at all the timing was perfect, If you accept the aim was not to get May to resign (who would want the job at the moment?) but to send a clear message that over a third of her party wanted a proper Brexit and would vote against anything that didn't provide that.. They had to trigger it before any vote of confidence by the opposition as it would have looked a bit silly to do it after they had voted in favour of May and the Gov. Now they can happily vote for her saying there was a vote within the party which went her way.

May cannot now cancel or delay Brexit as not only would she risk losing up to a third of her party but would also be responsible for the decision that would lead to the Tories biggest ever election defeat...Compared to that the "risk" of no deal pales into insignificance...

I'm no expert in Tory shenanigans but I can't see that myself. It was interesting that as far as I could see Johnson (B) was largely absent from the media today. Will be interesting to see if he emerges punching in the next day or so.

I'd say we are fully in Donald Rumsfeld unknown territory and it can still go either way.

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

Tuna said:

Fake news bingo.. Reference please.

In other news, Facbook have confirmed that The Peoples Vote spent over £150,000 in just two months on over 1,200 seperate adverts (also known as micro-targetting) for their cause. Apparently it's OK when they do it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/10/almost-100k-of-public-money-spent-on-brexit-deal-facebook-ads

If they have spend 9 million I'll believe the "peoples vote" has a chance of happening

Anecdote time

Spent an evening in a pub for "car club" xmas dinner - Basically most people now think

"our politicians are fking useless"

"the WA is not leaving - it's blurred the line between leave and remain"

"TM has dodged a bullet we clearly need wooden stakes and garlic if anyone is to be sucessful"

"Leave and WTO with a few mutually agreed arranements seems a sensible option"

And for the forth year in a row I didn't finish the mixed grill and this year I skipped the starter in the hope it would help

Oh and no one thought a peoples vote was gonna do anything other than give those that wanted it a bloody nose

[PurpleMoonlight]

Oh dear, Mr Rees 'up to 50 years' Mogg has realised his chances of a meaningful role in Government is likely to take even longer.

[gooner1]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Oh dear, Mr Rees 'up to 50 years' Mogg has realised his chances of a meaningful role in Government is likely to take even longer.

I'm not sure anyone has a meaningful role in Government atm.

Nor in Opposition come to that.

[glazbagun]

ash73 said:

Apparently May will get just 10 minutes to argue her case at the EU leaders summit in Salzburg. They're obviously taking her seriously. Although I don't think I'd need that long to say what I would like to say to them, tbh.

I've always assumed that things like that were mere points of order to rubber stamp what has already been agreed prior. She's been chatting in person to other European leaders for two days, it's not like she's going to shock them with some new argument or position they've never heard.

[JagLover]

Patrick Bateman said:

saaby93 said:

199 330 60%
200 317 63%
Does a PMs popularity normally go the other way

Bit of a difference between a fresh leadership contest for a totally new PM where there are other named contenders and a sitting PM who you'd expect to command a massive percentage of their own party in a confidence vote.

Of course there is, as many recognise.

Chamberlain got far more votes in 1940, and was gone a week later. Thatcher got more votes in 1990 (albeit with more MPs) but had to stand down. None of this matters to Remainers and their love for their malfunctioning robot leader.

And no this will not "unite the party" as no true Conservative would piss on May if she were on fire.

[JagLover]

Good post from the Spectator comments section

Spectatorcomments said:

The only possible future for the Tory party is to split. The same goes for the Labour party, though it might survive for longer thanks to the bovine tribalism of northern voters.

The left/right dichotomy is no longer applicable to the real divisions in British (or Western in general) society. The division is now between nationalists/democracts on the one side; and globalists/autocrats on the other.

The Tory party can not convincingly pretend to be a "broad church" any longer. It is not a broad church. It is a relic of a bygone age, and its members hate each other more than they hate the members of the opposition.

If it is to have any future it must split into a genuine conservative party and its globalist offshoot, which should logically join with the globalists in the Labour and Lib Dem parties. Only then will the political landscape truly represent the electorate.

If it is sluggish to do so there will be mass disenfranchisement and anger among the public, and rightly so.