Theresa May (Vol.2)

[PositronicRay]

B'stard Child said:

PositronicRay said:

p1stonhead said:

PositronicRay said:

funkyrobot said:

Nickgnome said:

p1stonhead said:

It wasn’t entirely serious. But they all earn considerably more than the average.

In my opinion rightly so.

I consider they are underpaid for what they do.

Having said that I would overhaul parliament and reduce MPs to about 400. Similarly House of Lords.

My local MP has taken on other work. I guess his salary and the £188,000 he claimed for expenses in the last year isn't enough. He must have plenty of spare time to do the other jobs too.

The salary of an MP is £77k.

And that is their only income right?

Remuneration should be inline with the private sector.

And probably the selection process needs to be a little more rigorous too

That's a good point, candidates do tend to foisted on the unsuspecting.

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

A quick look at the label will tell you the country of origin, it's been that way for years.

Indeed. I use it to make sure i buy British beef.

[Nickgnome]

PositronicRay said:

Expenses are just that. I wouldn't do the job, and certainly not for £77k

Me neither, especially with all the abuse they get.

[bitchstewie]

NoNeed said:

How many times has our economy dipped while members of the EU? being out makes no difference as we always come back bigger and stronger.

That's a non-answer.

How much worse off are you prepared to be to leave?

It isn't a trick question, if we're better off I'll be ecstatic. But if we aren't how much have you planned?

Savings in the bank, cutbacks you can make to get by, all that stuff.

[saaby93]

p1stonhead said:

saaby93 said:

Nickgnome said:

I would prefer MPs were not allowed to work outside but then £75K is not enough to get the right calibre of people we need.

I'm not convinced there's a good link between money and and calibre
You can get people determined to do good jobs knowing that the renumeration ought to be higher.
Some people aim is to get high salaries without necessarily doing a good job

And doing a good or important job is absolutely not linked to money. See teachers, nurses etc

There's probably some people earning £75k as MPs that would be able to commmand nowhere near that in the outside world
and vice versa
If they get a committee or cabinet job isnt there an adder?

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Along those lines similarly you run a small clothing retailer, successfully I hope, but JLR run very differently than a small clothing retailer.

I'm sure you know how your business works, I wouldn't suggest otherwise, and I'd imagine Ralf Speth has a pretty good idea how JLR works as he'd be out of a job if his judgement wasn't trusted or if the board/owners believed he was simply playing a political game and not acting in the best interests of the business.

The automotive industry (JLR is just one company at the centre of a huge ecosystem) is already seeing an impact from the uncertainty around this mess.

What basis can you have to believe you know better than he does how various Brexit outcomes will impact his business?

It baffles me that people think that these businesses are simply making it up.

History shows us they often do bullst to maximise their profits.

[Nickgnome]

saaby93 said:

Nickgnome said:

I would prefer MPs were not allowed to work outside but then £75K is not enough to get the right calibre of people we need.

I'm not convinced there's a good link between money and and calibre
You can get people determined to do good jobs knowing that the renumeration ought to be higher.
Some people aim is to get high salaries without necessarily doing a good job

I understand where you are coming from but who should look at being an MP as a career with the level of vitriol and abuse they receive. I would prefer their income was slightly higher but reduce their ability to work outside parliament.

As to your last point.

Does anyone really aim for high salary? It usually comes with being dedicated and good at what you do.

Anyway they will oft be found out pretty quickly and won’t last long. Additionally they may pop up somewhere else but down several grades.

[saaby93]

Nickgnome said:

As to your last point.

Does anyone really aim for high salary? It usually comes with being dedicated and good at what you do.

Anyway they will oft be found out pretty quickly and won’t last long. Additionally they may pop up somewhere else but down several grades.

There can be merit in promoting someone out of the way to a place they can do least damage

[anonymous-user]

PositronicRay said:

Remuneration should be inline with the private sector.

They would all be on the dole if working to private sector rules.

[Nickgnome]

p1stonhead said:

And doing a good or important job is absolutely not linked to money. See teachers, nurses etc

It isn’t necessarily linked but unfortunatly even in nursing and teaching some do not measure up. They are professions and should be treated more respectfully.

In my humble opinion nurses and teachers are underpaid.

[Nickgnome]

jsf said:

They would all be on the dole if working to private sector rules.

Explain please?

[Nickgnome]

bhstewie said:

NoNeed said:

How many times has our economy dipped while members of the EU? being out makes no difference as we always come back bigger and stronger.

That's a non-answer.

How much worse off are you prepared to be to leave?

It isn't a trick question, if we're better off I'll be ecstatic. But if we aren't how much have you planned?

Savings in the bank, cutbacks you can make to get by, all that stuff.

He ducks difficult questions. Still 2 unanswered for me.

[frisbee]

jsf said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

I wonder how much they will offer the WTO to join?. £39 billion

UK are founding members of the WTO.

You forget that Theresa May is negotiating...

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

That's a non-answer.

How much worse off are you prepared to be to leave?

It isn't a trick question, if we're better off I'll be ecstatic. But if we aren't how much have you planned?

Savings in the bank, cutbacks you can make to get by, all that stuff.

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.

That won't be the reality of course, but I'd swallow it if it happened.

Ive done just that a few times in my life when i saw the industry i was involved with was dying, so cut loose from it, took a big hit on income and retrained for the next boom job market.

The last time i did it was 9/11 when the planes hit, i was sat in an office doing a job i didn't particularly enjoy but it was paid well. I decided to get out and spent 2 years off work travelling the world whilst i sorted out a new career.

I now earn more doing a job i love, it took 5 years of working my way back up from nothing to now be in a position I'm one of the best in my field with lots of sucess behind me.

[Nickgnome]

jsf said:

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.

That won't be the reality of course, but I'd swallow it if it happened.

Ive done just that a few times in my life when i saw the industry i was involved with was dying, so cut loose from it, took a big hit on income and retrained for the next boom job market.

The last time i did it was 9/11 when the planes hit, i was sat in an office doing a job i didn't particularly enjoy but it was paid well. I decided to get out and spent 2 years off work travelling the world whilst i sorted out a new career.

I now earn more doing a job i love, it took 5 years of working my way back up from nothing to now be in a position I'm one of the best in my field with lots of sucess behind me.

And what does Mrs JSF and the kids think about u sodding off around the world. Did you take them?

[bitchstewie]

jsf said:

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.

That won't be the reality of course, but I'd swallow it if it happened.

Ive done just that a few times in my life when i saw the industry i was involved with was dying, so cut loose from it, took a big hit on income and retrained for the next boom job market.

The last time i did it was 9/11 when the planes hit, i was sat in an office doing a job i didn't particularly enjoy but it was paid well. I decided to get out and spent 2 years off work travelling the world whilst i sorted out a new career.

I now earn more doing a job i love, it took 5 years of working my way back up from nothing to now be in a position I'm one of the best in my field with lots of sucess behind me.

10/10 for a straight answer.

I honestly can't get my head around that - the "quite prepared to lose everything" part.

If you have a wife and children what do they think of that?

Also what do you think of the fact that the "future generations" are mostly at the polar opposite of the spectrum?

I respect your view but I find it utterly baffling over something that is so trivial in terms of impact on most peoples daily lives.

[saaby93]

bhstewie said:

I respect your view but I find it utterly baffling over something that is so trivial in terms of impact on most peoples daily lives.

You need people like that prepared to press the Armaggedon button the nuclear missiles

[Red 4]

jsf said:

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.
.

You are happy to go and live in a box if it helps the next generation of entitled snowflakes ?

I will merely say this.

fk off, you're having a laugh !

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

And what does Mrs JSF and the kids think about u sodding off around the world. Did you take them?

Not a problem i have.

[Coolbanana]

jsf said:

I am quite prepared to lose everything i have to put our future generations in a better position long term. That hasn't changed from the position i took in 2016.

That won't be the reality of course, but I'd swallow it if it happened.

Ive done just that a few times in my life when i saw the industry i was involved with was dying, so cut loose from it, took a big hit on income and retrained for the next boom job market.

The last time i did it was 9/11 when the planes hit, i was sat in an office doing a job i didn't particularly enjoy but it was paid well. I decided to get out and spent 2 years off work travelling the world whilst i sorted out a new career.

I now earn more doing a job i love, it took 5 years of working my way back up from nothing to now be in a position I'm one of the best in my field with lots of sucess behind me.

Praise be, we have a Martyr!

So...you would be happy to bankrupt yourself, and everyone of similar and lesser fortune to yourself (indeed, the much lesser will go into poverty but tough tits, hey?) so that you can gamble upon a chance that Future generations are in a better position?

If you do not see it as a gamble, but as a sure thing, what guarantees are you offering to everyone who disagrees with you that Future generations will be in a better position in order to follow your path?

You may think of yourself as being altruistic and tremendously good - much like a Missionary spreading the word of his Fairy God to those he decides must share the same make-believe Faith - but that doesn't make you right and certainly doesn't mean you are doing the right thing.

To ask others to make potential sacrifices for a greater reward, the onus is upon you to first demonstrate, with absolute certainty, that said reward would be forthcoming.

Naturally, I assume you preclude others in your assessment to avoid being held accountable for anyone but yourself and would not want to steer them in any way, and are simply informing of your own position and that everyone else must make their own choices, without coercion from you in any way. Does this extend to your own family or are you gambling on their behalf too? Are you prepared to see your children have less over the coming years on a hunch that their children might have it better off in the long run?

Such bravery.