Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
NoNeed said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: People vote for an MP in a General Election because they want them to represent their interests on a whole range of issues.
That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
I too would love to see some sort of proportional representation, it may surprise you that I would love an EU superstate, I just think the current arrogant undemocratic EU is a complete balls up but as they see no wrong with themselves change is highly unlikely.That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
Piha said:
NoNeed said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: People vote for an MP in a General Election because they want them to represent their interests on a whole range of issues.
That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
I too would love to see some sort of proportional representation, it may surprise you that I would love an EU superstate, I just think the current arrogant undemocratic EU is a complete balls up but as they see no wrong with themselves change is highly unlikely.That means that sometimes you have to vote for someone who you disagree with on one issue but who will best represent your interests on others.
I think our current 2 party system stinks, and I'd love to see it shaken up, but I really don't think Brexit or the EU is enough of a priority for most people to make a difference.
Remember UKIP have won no seats and that was before they went full-on mental.
Personally I'd like to see more independent MPs but I expect most people who are interested in getting into politics feel they have to align with one of the major parties to stand a chance.
Piha said:
So do you advocate your region leaving the UK if you didn't like the current (or any future) UK government?
yes, if that's what the people of the region want. that is a democracy and self-determination, something that was missing when Lisbon and Maastricht were signed.has either been put to a vote we probably wouldn't be discussing this now
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
So do you advocate your region leaving the UK if you didn't like the current (or any future) UK government?
yes, if that's what the people of the region want. that is a democracy and self-determination, something that was missing when Lisbon and Maastricht were signed.has either been put to a vote we probably wouldn't be discussing this now
El stovey said:
steveT350C said:
Day after the referendum I bet a remain voting mate £50 we will never leave.
How will you decide if you’ve actually left? Flip me it's complicated.
davey68 said:
Exactly. I'm not a fan of the May deal it is naïve. From day one of HER negotiations she has assumed being friendly with the EU will yield a fair deal. They have simply not played that game and I'm afraid they will force us into the backstop and squeeze every concession they can before 'letting us out' such as access to fishing rights, Gibraltar etc. It is the MPs that have the power in their hands not Brexit (or any) voters. Clearly her deal will be rejected. Believing the EU will be kind and fair to us during future trade talks is a joke. We have negotiated weakly thanks to May and the EU have exploited it. Not helped by 2.5 years of vocal remain voters trying to overturn the referendum decision at every turn, do people think the EU don't see this? It empowers them to play hardball.
I think the word you were actually looking for is competent. The EU haven't been meanies or played games, they've just negotiated competently.
Nickgnome said:
NoNeed said:
p1stonhead said:
So can London remain a member of the EU then as they voted?
No because cities can't join (eu rules) only nationsjohnxjsc1985 said:
2 years ago my 85 year old neighbour said "there is no way this lot will let us leave they will find a way to stay in" it is difficult at this stage to say he was wrong
I said they wouldn't let us leave on the morning of the results. It was never going to be as straight forward as just leaving.Edited by johnxjsc1985 on Sunday 16th December 12:54
NoNeed said:
According to remainers scare stories London is moving to Europe anyway, so why bother.
We are not, but we are hedgeing our bets and increasing our European presence. Additionally growth in our London base has all but ceased.I’ve said it before but its worth re-stating. Business will do whatever it take s to survive and thrive. If leaving the Eu puts any impediment in the way the UK will suffer.
Particularly in the services industries changing locations is relatively straighforward.
NoNeed said:
p1stonhead said:
So can London remain a member of the EU then as they voted?
No because cities can't join (eu rules) only nationsfrisbee said:
I think the word you were actually looking for is competent. The EU haven't been meanies or played games, they've just negotiated competently.
Perhaps that's why people wanted to leave? The EU were competent so the UK stood no chance. They've played a blinder so far, but then they had the whip hand.
Leicester Loyal said:
p1stonhead said:
My in-laws next door neighbour in rural (near Horncastle) Lincolnshire thought the vote was for Lincolnshire to leave the UK....
No they didn't
You don’t think there are such stupid people out there? Some are still arguing for crashing out with no deal!
Leicester Loyal said:
p1stonhead said:
We they didn’t vote for that, they just thought they did.
You don’t think there are such stupid people out there? Some are still arguing for crashing out with no deal!
Your original comment was blatantly a lie, or someone is lying to you and you've believed it.You don’t think there are such stupid people out there? Some are still arguing for crashing out with no deal!
Edit - just saw the typo. I meant the EU not the UK of course. They were not THAT stupid
I suppose they sort of we’re voting for it, but thought it could happen on a county basis.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 16th December 16:22
p1stonhead said:
Leicester Loyal said:
p1stonhead said:
We they didn’t vote for that, they just thought they did.
You don’t think there are such stupid people out there? Some are still arguing for crashing out with no deal!
Your original comment was blatantly a lie, or someone is lying to you and you've believed it.You don’t think there are such stupid people out there? Some are still arguing for crashing out with no deal!
Edit - just saw the typo. I meant the EU not the UK of course. They were not THAT stupid
I suppose they sort of we’re voting for it, but thought it could happen on a county basis.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 16th December 16:22
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