Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
s2art said:
[quote=soupdragon1
Good Friday agreement gives NI citizens the right to unite with Ireland with a majority vote. The DUP absolutely do not like the good friday agreement.
A hard Brexit is akin to tearing up the good Friday agreement. Hence the backstop. DUP have stated in recent days that they have no issues with a hard brexit 'no deal' scenario - as that's their preferred outcome. Tearing up the GFA.
Please expand on why a hard Brexit tears up the GFA.Good Friday agreement gives NI citizens the right to unite with Ireland with a majority vote. The DUP absolutely do not like the good friday agreement.
A hard Brexit is akin to tearing up the good Friday agreement. Hence the backstop. DUP have stated in recent days that they have no issues with a hard brexit 'no deal' scenario - as that's their preferred outcome. Tearing up the GFA.
Technical:
You can find some info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreemen...
Emotional:
How long have we got? I don't have that amount of time....you would probably need to live over in NI for a while to understand the underlying 'values' from which the agreement was formed from.
Bill said:
The government, the majority of Parliament and the EU think no deal is the worst possible outcome. They'll move heaven and earth to prevent it.
What on earth were they playing at when they voted for legislation which ensures precisely that, if a deal cannot be agreed?How are they going to justify that?
Yes, I'm supposed to understand what I'm voting on, but I wasn't really paying attention that day.
Balmoral said:
Well, they will keep dieing.
I see the deatherendum website has been taken down already 
It was up yesterday, not sure when it went live.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-ne...
amusingduck said:
What on earth were they playing at when they voted for legislation which ensures precisely that, if a deal cannot be agreed?
How are they going to justify that?
Yes, I'm supposed to understand what I'm voting on, but I wasn't really paying attention that day.
I have no idea, we still have months of wriggling incompetence to go yet.How are they going to justify that?
Yes, I'm supposed to understand what I'm voting on, but I wasn't really paying attention that day.
chris watton said:
Bill said:
chris watton said:
Yet, I am sure if that 2% was in favour of how you voted, you'd be arguing that 2% was enormous, wouldn't you?
No.HTH
HTH
amusingduck said:
Bill said:
The government, the majority of Parliament and the EU think no deal is the worst possible outcome. They'll move heaven and earth to prevent it.
What on earth were they playing at when they voted for legislation which ensures precisely that, if a deal cannot be agreed?How are they going to justify that?
Yes, I'm supposed to understand what I'm voting on, but I wasn't really paying attention that day.
You trigger A50 and have two years to agree a deal for leaving. If you don't agree one you leave without a deal.
We have the same issue now. The Remainer current masterplan is to pass legislation that the UK cannot leave without a deal. Well, if no deal can be achieved, all that means is that A50 will need to be rescinded. However that decision does still need to be approved by the ECJ. So you could be in the amusing situation where parliament has said we cannot leave without a deal, no deal is agreed and the EU won't let us back in
Soupdragon, thanks for clarifying some of the issues on NI, the backstop and the DUP. Essentially, all of these problems have been created by TM.
Her bloody mindedness and false sense of popularity ended up having to use the DUP which now seem to control where we go from here. I really wish she would give up and give it to someone more competent to sort out.
Her bloody mindedness and false sense of popularity ended up having to use the DUP which now seem to control where we go from here. I really wish she would give up and give it to someone more competent to sort out.
Bill said:
And now this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/th...
Very odd article and purported reaction from the EU.The vote was convincingly lost because of the Backstop, so she continues to ask for it’s removal/have a legal end date in order to have a chance of passing the WA.
Why are they so incredulous about that?
Rumours of another GE
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/why-conserva...
If the Tories had a manifesto commitment to "no deal" in such a GE, if an acceptable deal cannot be reached, and deselected those who wouldn't commit to that manifesto I could sort of see the point.
What May would probably do is have a GE with her deal as the proposed outcome and vagueness as to the outcome if that is voted down. On that basis they would likely find that the Tories poll rating of 40% is illusionary, based as it is on the possibility that the Tories might leave the EU in an acceptable manner.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/why-conserva...
If the Tories had a manifesto commitment to "no deal" in such a GE, if an acceptable deal cannot be reached, and deselected those who wouldn't commit to that manifesto I could sort of see the point.
What May would probably do is have a GE with her deal as the proposed outcome and vagueness as to the outcome if that is voted down. On that basis they would likely find that the Tories poll rating of 40% is illusionary, based as it is on the possibility that the Tories might leave the EU in an acceptable manner.
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