Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
is taking her out of the equation going to help or hinder the process. It would appear from the News on SKY at present she is in trouble. But hold on a minute we have been here before. She has rubbed up a lot of people the wrong way and her Deputy PM is apparently poised to become interim leader until Brexit is completed .
chris watton said:
...As opposed to giving up our sovereignty and leaving all of our political/ideological decisions to people who cannot be voted in or out?
Once we lose our sovereignty and self determination, we will never get it back. It seems that most do not mind this at all, so perhaps it is me in the minority - and I do have skin in the game as I sub contract some services from Italy, Germany and Russia. Yet the thought of our government being so incompetent that we all end up with unaccountable apparatchiks in the EU fills me with more dread than any party in the UK - at least they are still accountable to us, and we can vote them out!
Most businesses use China for the majority of their product manufacturing. Last time I checked, China isn't part of the EU, how do these businesses cope!
Ahem, most DO mind this, it's why the vote went the way it did!Once we lose our sovereignty and self determination, we will never get it back. It seems that most do not mind this at all, so perhaps it is me in the minority - and I do have skin in the game as I sub contract some services from Italy, Germany and Russia. Yet the thought of our government being so incompetent that we all end up with unaccountable apparatchiks in the EU fills me with more dread than any party in the UK - at least they are still accountable to us, and we can vote them out!
Most businesses use China for the majority of their product manufacturing. Last time I checked, China isn't part of the EU, how do these businesses cope!
johnxjsc1985 said:
is taking her out of the equation going to help or hinder the process. It would appear from the News on SKY at present she is in trouble. But hold on a minute we have been here before. She has rubbed up a lot of people the wrong way and her Deputy PM is apparently poised to become interim leader until Brexit is completed .
Other than assassination there is nothing they can do.
frisbee said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
is taking her out of the equation going to help or hinder the process. It would appear from the News on SKY at present she is in trouble. But hold on a minute we have been here before. She has rubbed up a lot of people the wrong way and her Deputy PM is apparently poised to become interim leader until Brexit is completed .
Other than assassination there is nothing they can do.s2art said:
Blue62 said:
Turbotechnic said:
That was one of the many reasons why I voted for Brexit, to put a spotlight firmly on our incompetent politicians. Need I say any more.
I get the feeling that you are making this up as you go along. Never have I heard a more insane reason to vote leave, although you say you had many other reasons it would be fun to guess what they were:Sacha Distel?
Mateus Rose?
Agincourt perhaps?
The reality is after a bit of a kerfuffle, they'll regroup and we'll have the same, old same old.
I think a "new world order" will come, not the one of fiction, and by evolution not revolution. Angela Merkel made reference to it in a speach the other day. Not in our lifetime though.
powerstroke said:
frisbee said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
is taking her out of the equation going to help or hinder the process. It would appear from the News on SKY at present she is in trouble. But hold on a minute we have been here before. She has rubbed up a lot of people the wrong way and her Deputy PM is apparently poised to become interim leader until Brexit is completed .
Other than assassination there is nothing they can do.It will change nothing if May goes. The party will remain embattled and embittered factions all fighting for their own interests. Whoever replaces her will have exactly the same problems.
They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
Derek Smith said:
It will change nothing if May goes. The party will remain embattled and embittered factions all fighting for their own interests. Whoever replaces her will have exactly the same problems.
They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
I think a change may just result in enough of "goodwill bounce" to buy something in the HoC.They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
May's credibility is shot and she's already gone in all but name.
George Osborne was right, just off with the timing.
Derek Smith said:
It will change nothing if May goes. The party will remain embattled and embittered factions all fighting for their own interests. Whoever replaces her will have exactly the same problems.
They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but she was there to do a job, and expendable. Her time has come, she needs to pass the baton. They can't put someone in from the erg as these will have had no experience of high office. Johnson - well there's always the chance of suicide I know but no chance. Her replacement will have a solid group against them. This will cause trouble and, if anything, it might well be worse.
May is not the best British prime minister we've ever had, but the sad thing is that I doubt there's anyone who could do better.
I don't like Gove much but think he'd make a decent fist of it until the summer.
PositronicRay said:
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but she was there to do a job, and expendable. Her time has come, she needs to pass the baton.
I don't like Gove much but think he'd make a decent fist of it until the summer.
Funny thing is that even after all his twists and turns I still have a soft spot for Gove.I don't like Gove much but think he'd make a decent fist of it until the summer.
Slippery as an eel as he is.
When she woke up this morning indeed if she actually slept at all I am sure that most people in her position would have had the thought of "I really don't need this s
t" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.
t" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.NoNeed said:
She has proven herself to be remarkably stubborn and I can't see her jump, I also don't see any legal way she can be challenged at this time,
I can’t see labour calling another no confidence vote, at least immediately .They like watching the Tory implosion & also woundnt risk a Brextremist taking the helm...
Jimboka said:
I can’t see labour calling another no confidence vote, at least immediately .
They like watching the Tory implosion & also woundnt risk a Brextremist taking the helm...
They will not because the Labour Party are also split but as they are not in Government they are not as much in the spotlight.They like watching the Tory implosion & also woundnt risk a Brextremist taking the helm...
johnxjsc1985 said:
When she woke up this morning indeed if she actually slept at all I am sure that most people in her position would have had the thought of "I really don't need this st" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.
I believe she just wanted to be PM whatever the situation and saw this opportunity, possibly the only likely opportunity of her political career. t" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.Like a second officer accepting the captaincy on the bridge of the Titanic she's doomed.
Trophy Husband said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
When she woke up this morning indeed if she actually slept at all I am sure that most people in her position would have had the thought of "I really don't need this st" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.
I believe she just wanted to be PM whatever the situation and saw this opportunity, possibly the only likely opportunity of her political career. t" and who could blame her. She may well be the architect that brings about her own downfall but who in their right mind would want to be PM at this point in time. I would suggest anyone who does want this position now clearly isn't stable enough to deserve it.Like a second officer accepting the captaincy on the bridge of the Titanic she's doomed.
I think Gove would be best caretaker PM, another bloody remainer, but he has far more about him than May.
His speech back in January in the HOC was superb.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE&t=...
Well worth watching.
His speech back in January in the HOC was superb.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE&t=...
Well worth watching.
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