Theresa May (Vol.2)

[DrDeAtH]

NoNeed said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

So she survives again its like death by a thousand Cuts.

There is no legal way to get rid, they have been exhausted, she is unsackable for the rest of this parliamentary session.

They had their chances to get rid of May, but squandered them. Now they come to regret that....

[NoNeed]

DrDeAtH said:

NoNeed said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

So she survives again its like death by a thousand Cuts.

There is no legal way to get rid, they have been exhausted, she is unsackable for the rest of this parliamentary session.

They had their chances to get rid of May, but squandered them. Now they come to regret that....

Indeed

[anonymous-user]

She's resilient and I think she is miles ahead of most senior tories
I may be serious too - scary isn't it

[SeeFive]

techiedave said:

She's resilient and I think she is miles ahead of most senior tories
I may be serious too - scary isn't it

Careful with that praise, Diane may be listening to you... you don’t want to hurt her feelings...

[The Li-ion King]

techiedave said:

She's resilient and I think she is miles ahead of most senior tories
I may be serious too - scary isn't it

These challengers aren't very bright though look at the chain of events since Friday.

1. Coup plotted by Remainers and Leavers who want to push May out of her job.
2. Story in papers by Saturday morning (plus the millions demanding second Referendum or withdrawal of A50)
3. Potential successors distance themselves TV on Sunday morning.
4. Theresa sees threat, and deals with it after church by "inviting the plotters in for a chat" down at Chequers
5. They plead allegiance. No one wants to be kicked out of the party which would damage their future chances after she leaves

Meanwhile kids out of control with stabbings in West London, again...

The fact she may not even do this Meaningful Vote at all leaves her to run down the clock, forcing them to hold their noses and choose her BRINO deal.

None of her opponents have the guts to challenge her directly so on the chaos goes. It's like trying to overtake a tractor on a single track lane More of the same this week

Edited by The Li-ion King on Monday 25th March 02:40

[Blue62]

garyhun said:

Quite!

I’ve don’t ever recall being called prejudiced by anyone who’s ever met me, so it’s quite an impressive feat by Blue62 to do so remotely

I can do anything, this is the internet! We are all subject to prejudice at some level, you suggested the civil servants who allegedly support remain are on a gravy train, I know you're not being literal but it's a prejudiced view, as is mine.

The only interesting point to note from what I originally posted is that every respondent has siezed on my point about civil servants but ignored the wider context of CBI, NFU etc. It's the old expert story, the one that hard leavers still peddle and soft leavers conveniently ignore.

I would stand by the statement that Whitehall is staffed with a lot of people who are way above the average in terms of intelligence and given their experience, more engaged politically than the average person.

[technodup]

abzmike said:

Carl_Manchester said:

I would expect Ruth Davidson to be a leading candidate for the next leader of the party. We just need to find her a seat.

May won’t be ousted anytime soon as all the candidates know it’s a poisoned chalice atm.

I’m not sure Ruth is that interested, new baby and all.

And she's a remainer.

Not going to happen.

She'd be better advised waiting it out until the next time, when she could well be the third female Tory leader (and PM), and the first gay one. Although having butch gay Scottish women in leadership positions might not be the best idea, we don't want Joanna Cherry getting ideas above her station.

[powerstroke]

So some of our European friends have decided not to bother with the ballot box and doned yellow jackets while others
have started putting their crosses well to the left or right of sensible , so we have a few more weeks now to wait to see
whether we still have a working democracy ,our economy is doing OK but the uncertainty is beginning to have a noticeable
affect , it's not going to go well for the establishment if the economy goes down the toilet if we don't leave is it ???
The civll service and our so called elected representatives ether can't see the ends of their noses or they like instability..
Any problems we have post not leaving or brino will be seen as their fault for denying us a clear brexit ... Oh well onwards and upwards ...

[PositronicRay]

Well rebels try to oust Theresa again, one reportedly wasn't even wearing a seatbelt.

The next coup will involve holding their breath until she agrees to their demands.

Edited by PositronicRay on Monday 25th March 07:36

[amusingduck]

Trophy Husband said:

Could I draw an analogy, if I may...
You are going out with a beautiful woman but behind a door could be one more beautiful, but only could be. Do you open the door or do you settle with what you have? I'm sorry, but in my opinion, because, let's face it we're all allowed them, you'd be an idiot to take the gamble.
That's where we are in a nutshell. Made even more difficult by the fact that the EU can choose how beautiful the woman is behind the closed door!
I don't know what you do to support your family, if indeed you have one, but I fear for mine. Please allow me that.

Open the door.

The beautiful woman has maxed out 7 credit cards and extorted the most vulnerable members of her family into poverty.

Whoever is behind the door is irrelevant, as the beautiful woman has precluded herself due to her past, present, and future behaviour.

[ClaphamGT3]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population drives an irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population shocker....

[amusingduck]

ClaphamGT3 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population drives an irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population shocker....

You'd think that'd be right up your street?

I drive a [...] Lancia Gamma Coupe

[ClaphamGT3]

powerstroke said:

So some of our European friends have decided not to bother with the ballot box and doned yellow jackets while others
have started putting their crosses well to the left or right of sensible , so we have a few more weeks now to wait to see
whether we still have a working democracy ,our economy is doing OK but the uncertainty is beginning to have a noticeable
affect , it's not going to go well for the establishment if the economy goes down the toilet if we don't leave is it ???
The civll service and our so called elected representatives ether can't see the ends of their noses or they like instability..
Any problems we have post not leaving or brino will be seen as their fault for denying us a clear brexit ... Oh well onwards and upwards ...

So point me to the Brexiteers who have stepped up and shown themselves willing to take the reigns? They had their chance in July 2016, they had their chance again in 2017, they had yet another chance in December 2018. Each and every time, they've funked it. They either know they're not capable or they know they sold the electorate an impossible dream - which do you think it is?

[bitchstewie]

ClaphamGT3 said:

So point me to the Brexiteers who have stepped up and shown themselves willing to take the reigns? They had their chance in July 2016, they had their chance again in 2017, they had yet another chance in December 2018. Each and every time, they've funked it. They either know they're not capable or they know they sold the electorate an impossible dream - which do you think it is?

Don't go there.

Circumstances conspired against them apparently. It wasn't their fault. it was someone else.

[ClaphamGT3]

bhstewie said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

So point me to the Brexiteers who have stepped up and shown themselves willing to take the reigns? They had their chance in July 2016, they had their chance again in 2017, they had yet another chance in December 2018. Each and every time, they've funked it. They either know they're not capable or they know they sold the electorate an impossible dream - which do you think it is?

Don't go there.

Circumstances conspired against them apparently. It wasn't their fault. it was someone else.

The big boys did it and ran away excuse...

[psi310398]

Blue62 said:

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I would stand by the statement that Whitehall is staffed with a lot of people who are way above the average in terms of intelligence and given their experience, more engaged politically than the average person.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

But that statement betrays one simple fact. You have clearly never worked in Whitehall. I spent well over twenty years there.

There are some, but not many, outstanding people, but a large number would have trouble holding down jobs in any concern that measured productivity and/or outcomes.

[psi310398]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population drives an irrelevant, anachronistic relic with appeal to a tiny minority of the population shocker....

Shurely shome mistake?

I'm sure you mean a product made at a not altogether unreasonable price by skilled British craftsmen in the West Midlands, despite their employer repeatedly almost being pushed under by overweening and largely irrelevant European regulations foisted on us for the convenience of large Continental car manufacturers (who then still have to cheat and defraud the public to get their cars to market).

True patriots, to borrow Budgie's phrase.

[Blue62]

psi310398 said:

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

But that statement betrays one simple fact. You have clearly never worked in Whitehall. I spent well over twenty years there.

There are some, but not many, outstanding people, but a large number would have trouble holding down jobs in any concern that measured productivity and/or outcomes.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I have spent quite a lot of my working life around Westminster, have quite a few old school and Uni chums who are civil servants and politicians, they're all bright people.

[Vaud]

Blue62 said:

psi310398 said:

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

But that statement betrays one simple fact. You have clearly never worked in Whitehall. I spent well over twenty years there.

There are some, but not many, outstanding people, but a large number would have trouble holding down jobs in any concern that measured productivity and/or outcomes.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I have spent quite a lot of my working life around Westminster, have quite a few old school and Uni chums who are civil servants and politicians, they're all bright people.

It's not necessarily mutually exclusive though. I've met many bright people in Whitehall who understand the complex machine that is the civil service. Tremendous intellectual firepower.

Those same people have "gone native" and don't use that firepower to drive efficiencies and change in the service.

[Evercross]

technodup said:

Although having butch gay Scottish women in leadership positions might not be the best idea, we don't want Joanna Cherry getting ideas above her station.