Theresa May (Vol.2)
Discussion
tting himself that we might get a PM who knows what they're actually fTechnically, I don't think there has to be a nominated party leader for all political parties for there to be a General Election.
With 20-20 hindsight, the logical thing to have done before announcing there would be a referendum on membership of the EU would have been to negotiate a deal with the other nations FIRST, then put that to the country. Everyone would have been able to make their decision knowing exactly what Brexit would mean.
Instead, we had untruths from both sides who were only concerned to further their own socio-political agendas and we're now in the mess we're in because the EU know all the card's we're holding.
It never fails to amaze me how poor the people we put in power are at negotiating anything, from the price of pencils for the MOD right up to Brexit.
I agree that Corbyn is a poor leader for the Labour Party and that trying to pin him and his party down on their stance on Brexit is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
The only way that the Tories can be removed completely and replaced by a truly democratic Parliament would be to adopt a proportional representation electoral method rather than the current first past the post system, which is biased towards delivering power to either of the traditional major parties. Tories are over represented in the rural areas and Labour are over represented in the urban areas.
In the future, politics needs to be more about compromise than opposition. We've seen how paralysis happens under the current system where power ends up being vested in smaller extreme parties such as the DUP solely to secure power for the Conservatives after the last election. Under proportional representation, Teresa May would never have been returned to government after the last election.
With 20-20 hindsight, the logical thing to have done before announcing there would be a referendum on membership of the EU would have been to negotiate a deal with the other nations FIRST, then put that to the country. Everyone would have been able to make their decision knowing exactly what Brexit would mean.
Instead, we had untruths from both sides who were only concerned to further their own socio-political agendas and we're now in the mess we're in because the EU know all the card's we're holding.
It never fails to amaze me how poor the people we put in power are at negotiating anything, from the price of pencils for the MOD right up to Brexit.
I agree that Corbyn is a poor leader for the Labour Party and that trying to pin him and his party down on their stance on Brexit is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
The only way that the Tories can be removed completely and replaced by a truly democratic Parliament would be to adopt a proportional representation electoral method rather than the current first past the post system, which is biased towards delivering power to either of the traditional major parties. Tories are over represented in the rural areas and Labour are over represented in the urban areas.
In the future, politics needs to be more about compromise than opposition. We've seen how paralysis happens under the current system where power ends up being vested in smaller extreme parties such as the DUP solely to secure power for the Conservatives after the last election. Under proportional representation, Teresa May would never have been returned to government after the last election.
Coolbanana said:
I do believe you are correct, the Conservatives are responsible for the Brexit debacle, it is their failure - for both sides of the argument. Because it is an utter disgrace. For everyone in the UK.
A General Election is the best way forward now. The UK Electorate needs re-affirmed or new mandates put to them and a new Government or a confirmation that they are actually wanting the Conservatives to see Brexit to conclusion and not another Party or, indeed, a direction change altogether.
Always good to have the views of someone who doesn't live in the UK and, probably, will be less affected than many of us.A General Election is the best way forward now. The UK Electorate needs re-affirmed or new mandates put to them and a new Government or a confirmation that they are actually wanting the Conservatives to see Brexit to conclusion and not another Party or, indeed, a direction change altogether.
Tootles the Taxi said:
Technically, I don't think there has to be a nominated party leader for all political parties for there to be a General Election.
With 20-20 hindsight, the logical thing to have done before announcing there would be a referendum on membership of the EU would have been to negotiate a deal with the other nations FIRST, then put that to the country. Everyone would have been able to make their decision knowing exactly what Brexit would mean.
Instead, we had untruths from both sides who were only concerned to further their own socio-political agendas and we're now in the mess we're in because the EU know all the card's we're holding.
It never fails to amaze me how poor the people we put in power are at negotiating anything, from the price of pencils for the MOD right up to Brexit.
I agree that Corbyn is a poor leader for the Labour Party and that trying to pin him and his party down on their stance on Brexit is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
The only way that the Tories can be removed completely and replaced by a truly democratic Parliament would be to adopt a proportional representation electoral method rather than the current first past the post system, which is biased towards delivering power to either of the traditional major parties. Tories are over represented in the rural areas and Labour are over represented in the urban areas.
In the future, politics needs to be more about compromise than opposition. We've seen how paralysis happens under the current system where power ends up being vested in smaller extreme parties such as the DUP solely to secure power for the Conservatives after the last election. Under proportional representation, Teresa May would never have been returned to government after the last election.
With respect, that's not logical at all. Both sides of the table would have actually been on the same team, both wanting to agree the worst deal possible from the UK perspective. With 20-20 hindsight, the logical thing to have done before announcing there would be a referendum on membership of the EU would have been to negotiate a deal with the other nations FIRST, then put that to the country. Everyone would have been able to make their decision knowing exactly what Brexit would mean.
Instead, we had untruths from both sides who were only concerned to further their own socio-political agendas and we're now in the mess we're in because the EU know all the card's we're holding.
It never fails to amaze me how poor the people we put in power are at negotiating anything, from the price of pencils for the MOD right up to Brexit.
I agree that Corbyn is a poor leader for the Labour Party and that trying to pin him and his party down on their stance on Brexit is like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
The only way that the Tories can be removed completely and replaced by a truly democratic Parliament would be to adopt a proportional representation electoral method rather than the current first past the post system, which is biased towards delivering power to either of the traditional major parties. Tories are over represented in the rural areas and Labour are over represented in the urban areas.
In the future, politics needs to be more about compromise than opposition. We've seen how paralysis happens under the current system where power ends up being vested in smaller extreme parties such as the DUP solely to secure power for the Conservatives after the last election. Under proportional representation, Teresa May would never have been returned to government after the last election.
There would have been no compunction at all for the EU to give an inch, as whatever went onto the paper before the referendum could in reality have come straight back off again subsequent to the 'wrong' result.
German MEP Manfred Weber: 'Respect to @theresa_may, who fought for a stable solution and a viable deal. We hope once more for a constructive approach from our British partners.'
Good luck with that. What you'll actually get is a month or two of 'new, strong leadership' ie public schoolboy BS which is destined to fail even more heroically than May's softer approach, and which will simply give the EU more fuel to support their 'see, it's not us it's them' justification for continued punishment beatings.
Good luck with that. What you'll actually get is a month or two of 'new, strong leadership' ie public schoolboy BS which is destined to fail even more heroically than May's softer approach, and which will simply give the EU more fuel to support their 'see, it's not us it's them' justification for continued punishment beatings.
Burwood said:
and have two parties on 25% and two on 20%. You'd get a Frankenstein coalition government. Let's get Brexit out of way first 
I don't think a coalition Government made up of various factions would be a bad idea, give the UK a taste of Democracy as other European Nations have sometimes had it. Force MP's across divides to find ways to work together, find compromises. Getting Brexit out of the way in its current state is no long-term solution because it is too fractured. There needs to be a one-Party Government that is sufficiently cohesive in itself to deliver or rescind Brexit or a Coalition capable of doing the same.
As things stand, it is Parliament as a whole that will decide Brexit's fate and that is not quite the same thing at this stage since MP's will be damned no matter which way they go. Rather a G.E. that gives rise to a Government enabling a mandate newly voted upon by a majority either confirming what they want or unable to claim they did not know what they were voting for in terms of the debate - whether it be for or against Brexit.
Tootles the Taxi said:
Boris Johnson running the country? Wouldn't let him run a bath.
Gove? Bit-part actor and failed chin-grower? Odious
Dominic Raab? Was totally incompetent in his last job, and the one before that.
Rory Stewart - who?
Andrea Lead-no-one? Nope.
The Tories are a busted flush and hold no real mandate to govern.
General election now please.
While I am inclined to agree with this sentiment, I look at the Labour front bench and am scared witless. Gove? Bit-part actor and failed chin-grower? Odious
Dominic Raab? Was totally incompetent in his last job, and the one before that.
Rory Stewart - who?
Andrea Lead-no-one? Nope.
The Tories are a busted flush and hold no real mandate to govern.
General election now please.
The Brexit Party might do well simply because you only know who the leader will be.
I now have the feeling that anyone with real leadership skills and talent are probably working in the City, or industry. We are now only left with a bunch of wannabes with dubious convictions.
She couldn't untie the Gordian knot after giving her best shot. People were still adding extra lashing to it as she worked .....
Good luck whoever takes this over.
She can look back on her time with that poisoned chalice from "runaway" Cameron with a positive attitude.
Now the chimps take over.
Well done UK
Gandahar said:
She couldn't untie the Gordian knot after giving her best shot. People were still adding extra lashing to it as she worked .....
Good luck whoever takes this over.
She can look back on her time with that poisoned chalice from "runaway" Cameron with a positive attitude.
Now the chimps take over.
Well done UK
She was adding lashing herself. Good luck whoever takes this over.
She can look back on her time with that poisoned chalice from "runaway" Cameron with a positive attitude.
Now the chimps take over.
Well done UK
Her premiership has been characterized by poor decision after poor decision.
mostly of her own making.
Edited by Previous on Friday 24th May 13:11
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Halb said:
Most emotion she's ever showed in her career. he shouldn't have hidden it all this time. Silly.
I feel sorry for her.
Same. She has her faults, but I don't think she's a bad person, unlike many who have held the position. I feel sorry for her.
Added to which there are a littany of things that she and her party are directly responsible for failing at.. Windrush? Grenfell? How many people on benefits, or who haven't been middle class upwards, etc have suffered or died as a direct result of her party's policies?
Tootles the Taxi said:
Boris Johnson running the country? Wouldn't let him run a bath.
Gove? Bit-part actor and failed chin-grower? Odious
Dominic Raab? Was totally incompetent in his last job, and the one before that.
Rory Stewart - who?
Andrea Lead-no-one? Nope.
The Tories are a busted flush and hold no real mandate to govern.
General election now please.
Abbott as the Chancellor!!!Gove? Bit-part actor and failed chin-grower? Odious
Dominic Raab? Was totally incompetent in his last job, and the one before that.
Rory Stewart - who?
Andrea Lead-no-one? Nope.
The Tories are a busted flush and hold no real mandate to govern.
General election now please.
Call Boris what you like but I suspect he will be the next leader of the Tories and therefore PM.
At this point in time, he may be the right person to do the job. The alternatives in the Tory Party will not be big enough personalities to make any impact on current mess. And if we were to have a General Election, the fear of Corbyn & McDonnell and the lack of alternatives may give the Tories another term.
At this point in time, he may be the right person to do the job. The alternatives in the Tory Party will not be big enough personalities to make any impact on current mess. And if we were to have a General Election, the fear of Corbyn & McDonnell and the lack of alternatives may give the Tories another term.
Corbyn has done his part to prevent us leaving too lets not forget. Everything he has done over the past 3 years has been to try and force through a GE. However, he still couldn't even win the Euro Election and according to the polls he's only currently a couple of percent ahead of the Brexit Party in GE polls. What an awful opposition leader he is.
Andy 308GTB said:
Call Boris what you like but I suspect he will be the next leader of the Tories and therefore PM.
At this point in time, he may be the right person to do the job. The alternatives in the Tory Party will not be big enough personalities to make any impact on current mess. And if we were to have a General Election, the fear of Corbyn & McDonnell and the lack of alternatives may give the Tories another term.
And if the Conservative Party elects such an obviously incompetent and corrupt man to lead the country, then it'll be another symptom that UK democratic politics is a sham. At this point in time, he may be the right person to do the job. The alternatives in the Tory Party will not be big enough personalities to make any impact on current mess. And if we were to have a General Election, the fear of Corbyn & McDonnell and the lack of alternatives may give the Tories another term.
Leicester Loyal said:
Corbyn has done his part to prevent us leaving too lets not forget. Everything he has done over the past 3 years has been to try and force through a GE. However, he still couldn't even win the Euro Election and according to the polls he's only currently a couple of percent ahead of the Brexit Party in GE polls. What an awful opposition leader he is.
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