Who is our next Prime Minister?
Discussion
M3333 said:
If May gets her deal through is there actually any point in even having a UK Parliament?
Will we be British or officially European under unelected Junker and his elite of we know better do as I say not as I do lot?
Education, NHS, foreign policy, economic policy, defence, social welfare and a few other minor things like criminal law still need someone to look after them, so although the EU will be fully in control of the straightness of farm produce, I guess we still need domestic politicians.Will we be British or officially European under unelected Junker and his elite of we know better do as I say not as I do lot?
I reckon May comes out of the next few weeks stronger. She's beginning to gain people's sympathy because her exceedingly vocal critics have failed to convince anyone that they have any chance of doing better and they've managed to make her appear the underdog who's being bullied by a bunch of reactionary toffs. That may not be the reality, but the appearance matters and it's something that competent politicians manage. The hardcore anti-EU brigade in the Conservative Party continue to be a bunch of second-raters who have never been trusted in senior office by their peers and have never shown any sign of being able to appeal to enough of the general public to stand a chance of winning a GE. When IDS and DD are your two biggest hitters, you're in trouble.
And who in their right mind would want to take the helm now anyway? Anyone with serious ambition will want to keep their head down until the current turmoil subsides.
And who in their right mind would want to take the helm now anyway? Anyone with serious ambition will want to keep their head down until the current turmoil subsides.
You have got to be kidding. May is being crucified in all the online places where the man on the street can voice their opinion.
Twitter is brutal tonight with her letter to the nation b
ks.
I think the situation is serious enough now that there will be politicians taking over without being afraid as May has made such a mess of it they wouldn't be so criticised trying to sort the mess out.
Twitter is brutal tonight with her letter to the nation b
ks.I think the situation is serious enough now that there will be politicians taking over without being afraid as May has made such a mess of it they wouldn't be so criticised trying to sort the mess out.
jsf said:
You have got to be kidding. May is being crucified in all the online places where the man on the street can voice their opinion.
Twitter is brutal tonight with her letter to the nation bks.
I think the situation is serious enough now that there will be politicians taking over without being afraid as May has made such a mess of it they wouldn't be so criticised trying to sort the mess out.
No sane career politician would go near it. So which nutter would you want? Twitter is brutal tonight with her letter to the nation b
ks.I think the situation is serious enough now that there will be politicians taking over without being afraid as May has made such a mess of it they wouldn't be so criticised trying to sort the mess out.
I doubt any of her potential rivals has any confidence that they could deliver anything better than the current mess, nor anything that would look like a better compromise between the remain and leave camps. The EU are not going to move much if at all. The party and the country are split. The split is between people's view of the county's future and its place in the world. That's primarily instinctive, and this particular choice is binary. So what does a compromise even mean?
There are no obvious candidates, we might as well stick with May.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little bd, exactly what we need.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little b
d, exactly what we need. powerstroke said:
Derek Smith said:
Lannister902 said:
I really do think Corbyn would do a good job as PM!
Unless the tories stop their infighting and assume some semblance of unanimity, we'll find out if you're right soon enough.I think its almost a certainty , laughing all the way to number 10 is old gumage , clear your desks you chinless wonders you had your chance now its ours ...
'I think its almost a certainty....' - really ?
zb said:
There are no obvious candidates, we might as well stick with May.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little bd, exactly what we need.
I'm not sure there's appetite for centralist leadership in either parties at the moment.However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little b
d, exactly what we need. zb said:
There are no obvious candidates, we might as well stick with May.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little bd, exactly what we need.
He'd be better than many, but I'm not sure we need anyone who is 'slick' - people immediately think of 'slick' (and slimy) Blair. However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little b
d, exactly what we need. I reckon Holly Willoughby would be ideal.............
zb said:
There are no obvious candidates, we might as well stick with May.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little bd, exactly what we need.
Not sure if he'd try and U turn us on Brexit though, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a return to politics along with the likes of Ed Balls. There's a few of the old labour centre ground mixed with a few centre ground Tories which I reckon could establish a new party with the right backing. I think there's currently a political void in the UK which is there for the taking. However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little b
d, exactly what we need. Chicken Chaser said:
zb said:
There are no obvious candidates, we might as well stick with May.
However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little bd, exactly what we need.
Not sure if he'd try and U turn us on Brexit though, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a return to politics along with the likes of Ed Balls. There's a few of the old labour centre ground mixed with a few centre ground Tories which I reckon could establish a new party with the right backing. I think there's currently a political void in the UK which is there for the taking. However, I'm going to float one currently outside the system, well aware our Conservatives friends on here will guffaw, should their nannies permit them;
David Miliband.
He's "New Labour", to me much more electable than the anachronism, that is Corbyn.
I've always liked him, one of the (now) old school, I don't view Ed's "victory" as a problem. Quite simply, it wasn't David's time.
He's a slick little b
d, exactly what we need. I want someone who has actually worked and lived in the real world, not someone who has always worked for government, quangos and charities.
ATG said:
I doubt any of her potential rivals has any confidence that they could deliver anything better than the current mess, nor anything that would look like a better compromise between the remain and leave camps. The EU are not going to move much if at all. The party and the country are split. The split is between people's view of the county's future and its place in the world. That's primarily instinctive, and this particular choice is binary. So what does a compromise even mean?
There is no compromise with the EU now, after 2.5 years of disastrous leadership. The only way out of this long term is a no deal Brexit, which has more backing than the current WA in the country. Seems to me most posters believe they could have done a better job than TM
Odd however that none of thise with far better ideas how to negociate or work with the EU are actually in politics!
It’s very easy to criticise from the touch line but I doubt somehow it was or is an easy ride, she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
And could Corbyn or whoever else done a better job? I doubt it very much and I’d wager you’d all be bhing how they fked it up :yes
Odd however that none of thise with far better ideas how to negociate or work with the EU are actually in politics!
It’s very easy to criticise from the touch line but I doubt somehow it was or is an easy ride, she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
And could Corbyn or whoever else done a better job? I doubt it very much and I’d wager you’d all be b
hing how they fked it up :yesloafer123 said:
No thanks. I want someone who has actually worked and lived in the real world, not someone who has always worked for government, quangos and charities.
Indeed and there's the problem these days; career politicans rather than businessmen and industrialists who move into politcs with exerince, That said, check out Sajid Javid, he's what you're talking about, working class background, rose to be a senior director at Deutsche Bank and then move to politics. RichB said:
loafer123 said:
No thanks. I want someone who has actually worked and lived in the real world, not someone who has always worked for government, quangos and charities.
Indeed and there's the problem these days; career politicans rather than businessmen and industrialists who move into politcs with exerince, That said, check out Sajid Javid, he's what you're talking about, working class background, rose to be a senior director at Deutsche Bank and then move to politics. Mind you many thought that about Sadiq Khan.
Edited by PositronicRay on Sunday 25th November 14:20
PositronicRay said:
RichB said:
loafer123 said:
No thanks. I want someone who has actually worked and lived in the real world, not someone who has always worked for government, quangos and charities.
Indeed and there's the problem these days; career politicans rather than businessmen and industrialists who move into politcs with exerince, That said, check out Sajid Javid, he's what you're talking about, working class background, rose to be a senior director at Deutsche Bank and then move to politics. Mind you many thought that about Sadiq Khan.
Id vote for SJ
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 25th November 22:10
jsf said:
ATG said:
I doubt any of her potential rivals has any confidence that they could deliver anything better than the current mess, nor anything that would look like a better compromise between the remain and leave camps. The EU are not going to move much if at all. The party and the country are split. The split is between people's view of the county's future and its place in the world. That's primarily instinctive, and this particular choice is binary. So what does a compromise even mean?
There is no compromise with the EU now, after 2.5 years of disastrous leadership. The only way out of this long term is a no deal Brexit, which has more backing than the current WA in the country. ATG said:
jsf said:
ATG said:
I doubt any of her potential rivals has any confidence that they could deliver anything better than the current mess, nor anything that would look like a better compromise between the remain and leave camps. The EU are not going to move much if at all. The party and the country are split. The split is between people's view of the county's future and its place in the world. That's primarily instinctive, and this particular choice is binary. So what does a compromise even mean?
There is no compromise with the EU now, after 2.5 years of disastrous leadership. The only way out of this long term is a no deal Brexit, which has more backing than the current WA in the country. Staying on as a member is not currently an option, and May reiterated that a 2nd ref was still not on the horizon, and such a referendum wouldn't guarantee a win to Remain anyway.
That's certainly the stated position from May. But it is not at all clear that "no deal" is acceptable to Parliament. My guess is that May survives and delivers a softish Brexit. But if she gets booted out of office, I think remaining in its at least as likely as crashing out without a deal.
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