Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
Variomatic said:
B'stard Child said:
Variomatic said:
All the leavers saying "look how the EU has behaved" - of course it's behaved like that. It puts the interests of the remaining club members ahead of the ones wanting to leave-but-keep-the-membership-benefits, and it's absolutely right to do so. All that's really happened is that the (blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain) lie of our "strong negotiating position" has been exposed for all to see.
Have issue with bold - all leavers aren't saying that - some have said all along that a proper exit was sort out the issues that are important and likely tou screw both UK and EU and then thrash out a sensible trading arrangement
The country isn't anyway as near as divided as the media likes to portray - Politicians almost certainly are..........
The general public making up the rest of the country has maybe 5% on the extreme of either side and the rest of the country are rather pissed off that those in Parliament are making such a horlicks of the process of leaving (Irrespective of cake unicorns or any other s
t) or peoples political bias.That could result in some very interesting results if they (Politicians) can't sort their s
t out and start getting on with what they are paid to do and decide to duck the issue either by GE or further referendum. They've had a few surprises recently but I really don't see them learning anything from it so far.toppstuff said:
wiggy001 said:
To answer the OP, I voted to Leave 2 years ago. I wouldn't vote in a second referendum, and I wouldn't vote in a General Election again unless we had massive electoral reform.
If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
How is Ireland corrupt? If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what people are actually saying, rather than making up stories in your head to argue with. The level of debate would be much higher if people like you were capable of doing that.
wiggy001 said:
toppstuff said:
wiggy001 said:
To answer the OP, I voted to Leave 2 years ago. I wouldn't vote in a second referendum, and I wouldn't vote in a General Election again unless we had massive electoral reform.
If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
How is Ireland corrupt? If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what people are actually saying, rather than making up stories in your head to argue with. The level of debate would be much higher if people like you were capable of doing that.
PositronicRay said:
wiggy001 said:
toppstuff said:
wiggy001 said:
To answer the OP, I voted to Leave 2 years ago. I wouldn't vote in a second referendum, and I wouldn't vote in a General Election again unless we had massive electoral reform.
If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
How is Ireland corrupt? If politics becomes so corrupt that like the Irish and others we are simply ignored by the political elite, I would not waste my time with politics anymore.
Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what people are actually saying, rather than making up stories in your head to argue with. The level of debate would be much higher if people like you were capable of doing that.
See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
sone said:
I voted remain but to be honest I think whichever gives us the quickest conclusion would be the best route to take. The reason I say that is I feel the process is possibly doing more damage than the result will.
As a remainder I’m also a bit annoyed by the superior attitude of other remain voters, the arrogance shown by some is almost thuggish. Perhaps not enough to make me change my vote but enough to make me consider it if another vote transpired.
So, you'd consider changing your vote; because of other people's behaviour? That's certainly an interesting way of weighing up the options!As a remainder I’m also a bit annoyed by the superior attitude of other remain voters, the arrogance shown by some is almost thuggish. Perhaps not enough to make me change my vote but enough to make me consider it if another vote transpired.
wiggy001 said:
Are you suggesting that the only thing toppstuff has ever done in his life is ask a question?
See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
Topptrumps has done "everything" in his life as you will find out if you stick around a bit longer.See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
FWIW and IMO he deliberately misrepresented you because you made a good point (missed a comma) that he couldn't counter with a sensible response,(even though he is an International Lawyer)
It amazes me that the remain side can not see the glaring hole in any argument they have, it invalidates YOUR vote.
You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
Stop falling for the nonsense that its about the economy and not the outright control of the population, take five minutes of your time and look up the articles of the EU.
Article seven gives the power to enforce the will of the EU on member states.
Article eleven and thirteen gives the EU control of the internet ( And control of any alternative media).
The EU has forced member states to replace elected politicians from positions because they have opposed the EU agenda (Greece & Italy), is currently threatening Hungary and several other member states for daring to follow the wishes of their voters, every member state that have held a vote that has gone against the EU has been forced to vote again until the decision is changed or completely ignored.
You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
Stop falling for the nonsense that its about the economy and not the outright control of the population, take five minutes of your time and look up the articles of the EU.
Article seven gives the power to enforce the will of the EU on member states.
Article eleven and thirteen gives the EU control of the internet ( And control of any alternative media).
The EU has forced member states to replace elected politicians from positions because they have opposed the EU agenda (Greece & Italy), is currently threatening Hungary and several other member states for daring to follow the wishes of their voters, every member state that have held a vote that has gone against the EU has been forced to vote again until the decision is changed or completely ignored.
dasigty said:
It amazes me that the remain side can not see the glaring hole in any argument they have, it invalidates YOUR vote.
You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
It's been explained dozens of times by dozens of people, but you are still amazed? You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
We had a vote between leaving or remaining. We decided to leave and have set out to understand the options. Now we know that it is hobsons choice. A deal no-one likes or no-deal at all.
Time for a sense check to make sure we still want to leave and to decide which option to take.
Elysium said:
It's been explained dozens of times by dozens of people, but you are still amazed?
We had a vote between leaving or remaining. We decided to leave and have set out to understand the options. Now we know that it is hobsons choice. A deal no-one likes or no-deal at all.
Time for a sense check to make sure we still want to leave and to decide which option to take.
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.We had a vote between leaving or remaining. We decided to leave and have set out to understand the options. Now we know that it is hobsons choice. A deal no-one likes or no-deal at all.
Time for a sense check to make sure we still want to leave and to decide which option to take.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
alfie2244 said:
wiggy001 said:
Are you suggesting that the only thing toppstuff has ever done in his life is ask a question?
See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
Topptrumps has done "everything" in his life as you will find out if you stick around a bit longer.See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
FWIW and IMO he deliberately misrepresented you because you made a good point (missed a comma) that he couldn't counter with a sensible response,(even though he is an International Lawyer)
Wobbegong said:
Changed my mind, I’d still vote Remain. Didn’t realise it’d cost a huge €7 to visit the EU.
Gives you 3 years too, great VFM 
Look at all the scaremongering though from just a few months ago ..."“If your passport does not meet these criteria, you may be denied entry to any of the Schengen area countries,” a new series of technical notices for British citizens by the UK government has warned."
"Post-Brexit travel could see Britons charged £52 visa every time they enter EU countries"
TX.
Elysium said:
dasigty said:
It amazes me that the remain side can not see the glaring hole in any argument they have, it invalidates YOUR vote.
You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
It's been explained dozens of times by dozens of people, but you are still amazed? You all took part in a system where the majority of the voters arrived at a decision, if you do not back that decision just because it did not go the way you wanted, then you put no value on that vote.
People died so you could have that vote, they were members of your family.
We had a vote between leaving or remaining. We decided to leave and have set out to understand the options. Now we know that it is hobsons choice. A deal no-one likes or no-deal at all.
Time for a sense check to make sure we still want to leave and to decide which option to take.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282
He then went on to say just before the Ref that it was still an in/out vote and the voters wouldn't be ignored etc etc "you the British people will decide" "it will be the final decision" "no 2nd Ref" "if we vote to leave then we will leave" ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qZhlrbcB8
TX.
dasigty said:
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Well said, quite correct.We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Robertj21a said:
dasigty said:
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Well said, quite correct.We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
Greg_D said:
Robertj21a said:
dasigty said:
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Well said, quite correct.We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
Greg_D said:
that is a very powerful statement and cuts to the heart of the issue, what are we all navel gazing at? there's nothing to discuss...... get out.......everyone understood what the original vote was for and voted accordingly. sod a deal, just walk away...
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
ffs,and we moan at the politicians for carrying on with whataboutery more than 2 years after they have been given an instruction ? how about we get the job done then we can all whataboutiffery to our hearts content ?so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
Robertj21a said:
dasigty said:
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Well said, quite correct.We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
We need to just leave without any deal if we don't like what is on offer. The Remain side lied repeatedly about how dire leaving would be (the country should have been bankrupted within weeks if you believed what they said) so why should anyone believe of of their scare stories about a "no deal" exit?
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