Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
wiggy001 said:
alfie2244 said:
wiggy001 said:
Are you suggesting that the only thing toppstuff has ever done in his life is ask a question?
See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
Topptrumps has done "everything" in his life as you will find out if you stick around a bit longer.See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
FWIW and IMO he deliberately misrepresented you because you made a good point (missed a comma) that he couldn't counter with a sensible response,(even though he is an International Lawyer)
Greg_D said:
that is a very powerful statement and cuts to the heart of the issue, what are we all navel gazing at? there's nothing to discuss...... get out.......everyone understood what the original vote was for and voted accordingly. sod a deal, just walk away...
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
best out or four according to diane abbottso what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
micky metro said:
Greg_D said:
that is a very powerful statement and cuts to the heart of the issue, what are we all navel gazing at? there's nothing to discuss...... get out.......everyone understood what the original vote was for and voted accordingly. sod a deal, just walk away...
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
best out or four according to diane abbottso what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
AJL308 said:
The Remain side lied repeatedly about how dire leaving would be (the country should have been bankrupted within weeks if you believed what they said) so why should anyone believe of of their scare stories about a "no deal" exit?
Just wondering if the companies with UK operations out of the UK and into continental Europe (such as Rolls Royce, who have just moved their aviation gas turbine design work to mainland Europe) are all part of the plot to scare everyone about Brexit?DurianIceCream said:
Just wondering if the companies with UK operations out of the UK and into continental Europe (such as Rolls Royce, who have just moved their aviation gas turbine design work to mainland Europe) are all part of the plot to scare everyone about Brexit?
If they've already done this then the choice of: WTO, remain, or May's vassal state, were obviously not relevant to the decision. WTO it is then, nothing much to lose.alfie2244 said:
wiggy001 said:
alfie2244 said:
wiggy001 said:
Are you suggesting that the only thing toppstuff has ever done in his life is ask a question?
See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
Topptrumps has done "everything" in his life as you will find out if you stick around a bit longer.See, it's annoying when someone deliberately misrepresents another's point of view.
FWIW and IMO he deliberately misrepresented you because you made a good point (missed a comma) that he couldn't counter with a sensible response,(even though he is an International Lawyer)
e got him confused with another PH International Lawyer
Einion Yrth said:
WTO it is then, nothing much to lose.
Well other than the manufacturing still being located in the UK (the Rolls Royce example), perhaps because it is harder to move a factory than a skilled worker. So then, the thing to lose are the additional costs of certifying and exporting aviation gas turbines into Europe. This would then be a new cost borne by Rolls Royce, which will make competing aviation gas turbines supplied by RR's competitors such as CFM, GE and Pratt & Whitney comparatively better value. DurianIceCream said:
Einion Yrth said:
WTO it is then, nothing much to lose.
Well other than the manufacturing still being located in the UK (the Rolls Royce example), perhaps because it is harder to move a factory than a skilled worker. So then, the thing to lose are the additional costs of certifying and exporting aviation gas turbines into Europe. This would then be a new cost borne by Rolls Royce, which will make competing aviation gas turbines supplied by RR's competitors such as CFM, GE and Pratt & Whitney comparatively better value. Oh and don't trim my posts to attempt to support your response please.
Einion Yrth said:
Aren't Pratt and Whitney already trading on WTO terms?
As do GE. Rolls Royce currently has a competitive advantage in the EU, which they will lose. RR also has a lesser worldwide market share than GE, despite GE currently supplying into the EU, from outside the EU. So you might expect new costs to have a negative impact on RR's market share. But don't worry - RR are also concerned about parts supply post Brexit, so while they have exported skilled engine design jobs from the UK into Europe, RR are stockpiling parts. This will probably mean a few new minimum wage warehouse jobs.
DurianIceCream said:
Just wondering if the companies with UK operations out of the UK and into continental Europe (such as Rolls Royce, who have just moved their aviation gas turbine design work to mainland Europe) are all part of the plot to scare everyone about Brexit?
Correct, the certification part of the aviation gas turbine design work is movingfrom RR's Derby plant to Germany to make it easier to get designs passed, in case
of any unknown problems with the Brexit negotiations.
No personel, jobs, engines, Spitfires or any part of any plane will be moving to Germany.
RR have also stated it fully proposes to move the paper exercise back to Derby
after negotiations have been completed.
But I suspect you are fully aware of all that, Mr Whippy.
gooner1 said:
braddo said:
gooner1 said:
I put it down to extreme jet lag, how many countries this week stufftop?
Still playing the man while having no f
king clue about the ball.king whistle cos of the noise coming out of your arse. . 
braddo said:
gooner1 said:
braddo said:
gooner1 said:
I put it down to extreme jet lag, how many countries this week stufftop?
Still playing the man while having no fking clue about the ball.king whistle cos of the noise coming out of your arse. . 
like yourself, so I'll take that. 
DurianIceCream said:
Well other than the manufacturing still being located in the UK (the Rolls Royce example), perhaps because it is harder to move a factory than a skilled worker. So then, the thing to lose are the additional costs of certifying and exporting aviation gas turbines into Europe. This would then be a new cost borne by Rolls Royce, which will make competing aviation gas turbines supplied by RR's competitors such as CFM, GE and Pratt & Whitney comparatively better value.
I'm not taking sides in this particular pro/anti Brexit argument, but be aware that components for engines for all the major engine OEMs are currently made in the UK. Some are for new build engines, some are for refurb/maintenance. There is a varied weighting by this and by engine brand. However things end up, there will be winners and losers.The real key to damping out effects on anything aerospace is certification and approval, it's not a five minute process. If it were, a lot of UK manufacturing would be in lower-cost economies already.
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