Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
gooner1 said:
Aw bless Auntie Dave the chick with the Dick's joining in. 
Don't shame me for my love of mixing my music metaphors.(I give zero f
ks for whatever argument is actually happening here, it's just an opportunity to mention a Prodigy track).Edited by InitialDave on Saturday 15th December 01:22
InitialDave said:
Don't shame me for my love of mixing my music metaphors.
(Seriously, I give zero fks for whatever argument is actually happening here, it's just an opportunity to mention a Prodigy track).
Please accept my apologies, in this instance you may well be unwittingly correct.(Seriously, I give zero f
ks for whatever argument is actually happening here, it's just an opportunity to mention a Prodigy track).Edited by InitialDave on Saturday 15th December 01:11
Robertj21a said:
Greg_D said:
Robertj21a said:
dasigty said:
Its already been decided, what has taken place in the last two years is the political elite doing everything they can to remain on their gravy train, aided and abetted by remainers who have no concept of democracy, that they are working to overturn a decision they were part of.
We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
Well said, quite correct.We did not vote on a deal, we voted clearly for out, that means cut all ties to the EU.
so what happens if there is another vote and it goes 52:48 the other way??? what then? another go!!!!!!!
However, its clear that some people struggle to respect the views of others when they differ from their own.
InitialDave said:
Don't shame me for my love of mixing my music metaphors.
(I give zero fks for whatever argument is actually happening here, it's just an opportunity to mention a Prodigy track).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY87o9IZXWg still got the 12 vinyl (I give zero f
ks for whatever argument is actually happening here, it's just an opportunity to mention a Prodigy track).Edited by InitialDave on Saturday 15th December 01:22
DurianIceCream said:
Well other than the manufacturing still being located in the UK (the Rolls Royce example), perhaps because it is harder to move a factory than a skilled worker. So then, the thing to lose are the additional costs of certifying and exporting aviation gas turbines into Europe. This would then be a new cost borne by Rolls Royce, which will make competing aviation gas turbines supplied by RR's competitors such as CFM, GE and Pratt & Whitney comparatively better value.
You touch on how the EU fiddle operates without knowing it.If you open a new factory in an area of the EU where work is needed you attract grants and tax breaks for the building, the machines, purchase of the land, there are yet more grants for training the workforce.
The national and local politicians are happy not only because they are "Creating jobs", but usually are in line for a few "Perks" from the incoming company.
The EU banks get to write all the financial loans with bits of paper they print anyway, lots of commission and interest payments.
The company reduces wage costs, saves more on premises, free movement of labour lets them hire only essential staff from the closing company as a claimable tax benefit.
The company that is being closed exists in name only, the jobs have gone, the taxpayer picks up the bill.
Its far easier to take over and move the manufacturing process, growth in the EU is at the expense of one member state over another.
When I discuss with Remainers, many, particularly older ones, say that they will vote Leave in a second referendum on principle, because they value the democratic mandate of the first referendum.
I agree. If Remain had won, I would have had no truck with Leave suggesting a second referendum.
That being said, I have repeatedly posted that people should make their views on the method of leaving, even if they are against mine, because it is important we keep up the pressure on our elected representatives to consider the views of the people they represent, and not just the Westminster bubble.
B'stard Child said:
So just too difficult then - silly idea 
Pretty much this. Pointless from what I can see. Impossible to tell if any benefit to leave but increased likelihood of 1-50 years of economic gloom depending on who you believe Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
loafer123 said:
When I discuss with Remainers, many, particularly older ones, say that they will vote Leave in a second referendum on principle, because they value the democratic mandate of the first referendum.
It's yet another thing to be grateful to Remoaners for.Insisting that we have another go, whilst not even being able to agree what the question should look like, is nicely pushing normal remainers towards "respect the first democratic vote".
They really have been the Leaver's greatest ally at times
jakesmith said:
Pretty much this. Pointless from what I can see. Impossible to tell if any benefit to leave but increased likelihood of 1-50 years of economic gloom depending on who you believe
Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
amusingduck said:
loafer123 said:
When I discuss with Remainers, many, particularly older ones, say that they will vote Leave in a second referendum on principle, because they value the democratic mandate of the first referendum.
It's yet another thing to be grateful to Remoaners for.Insisting that we have another go, whilst not even being able to agree what the question should look like, is nicely pushing normal remainers towards "respect the first democratic vote".
They really have been the Leaver's greatest ally at times
The arrogance self entitled attitudes of the remainers many with their condescending insults of the leave side have been a big boost for leave all the way though.
loafer123 said:
When I discuss with Remainers, many, particularly older ones, say that they will vote Leave in a second referendum on principle, because they value the democratic mandate of the first referendum.
That is their democratic choice. To me it sounds like a wasted vote.loafer123 said:
I agree. If Remain had won, I would have had no truck with Leave suggesting a second referendum.
That being said, I have repeatedly posted that people should make their views on the method of leaving, even if they are against mine, because it is important we keep up the pressure on our elected representatives to consider the views of the people they represent, and not just the Westminster bubble.
This is a rare statement on this forum and I totally agree with it. In a democracy we can and should all express our views and lobby our representatives to act on them. That being said, I have repeatedly posted that people should make their views on the method of leaving, even if they are against mine, because it is important we keep up the pressure on our elected representatives to consider the views of the people they represent, and not just the Westminster bubble.
Ghibli said:
Robertj21a said:
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?
What gives you the impression that we are capable of making our own decisions?Have you been following Brexit.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Ghibli said:
Robertj21a said:
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?
What gives you the impression that we are capable of making our own decisions?Have you been following Brexit.
How does a member of the public get their preferred choice to stand as their MP?
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