Brexit Referendum - top two choices

[anonymous-user]

May's deal won't even exist after Tuesday when Parliament dumps it.

So even if there were a 2nd referendum, it wouldn't be an option.

[saaby93]

PRTVR said:

saaby93 said:

PRTVR said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

saaby93 said:

Theyve said they dont want us

LIE, outright lie.

One or two very pro EU Norwegian political squirrels have.

I love the Norway deal, it's a good fit with the UK,
Norway voted 52% not to join the EU, the politicians stitched them up,
The UK voted 51.9% to leave and our politicians will try the same.

The Norway deal involves free movement
The UK has said it doesnt want that
Norway says fair enough - you cant join
Where have you seen different?

Amber Rudd is talking about it and she is supposedly backing May, anything is possible.

Isnt what Rudd is saying that she's looked at these other options but theyre not as good as the current deal?

[saaby93]

Anyone going to add more votes to this?

[silentbrown]

saaby93 said:

Anyone going to add more votes to this?

Only one vote allowed

You think I should re-run it based on today's events?

[don'tbesilly]

silentbrown said:

saaby93 said:

Anyone going to add more votes to this?

Only one vote allowed

You think I should re-run it based on today's events?

Try changing the way the questions are engineered , that's how other EU countries managed to get the original vote changed

[The Dangerous Elk]

If leave ever loose this be warned, from day one I will cry scream and demand another vote as well as work hard to screw it all up by undermining it's validity.

[silentbrown]

The Dangerous Elk said:

If leave ever loose this be warned, from day one I will cry scream and demand another vote as well as work hard to screw it all up by undermining it's validity.

Good for you. Welcome to our democracy!

"lose", BTW. Your are Individual #1 AICMFP.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/6937823...

[The Dangerous Elk]

silentbrown said:

Good for you. Welcome to our democracy!

"lose", BTW. Your are Individual #1 AICMFP.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/6937823...

Don't click random links, sorry.

[micky metro]

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

[Russian Troll Bot]

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

Which is the exact reason Remain are calling for it

[saaby93]

Russian Troll Bot said:

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

Which is the exact reason Remain are calling for it

It depends whether you think Mays deal is at one end of the stops or the other or middle ground so could collect people from both leave and remain

Full brexit aka Mogg
Middle ground compromise aka May
Remain aka Clarke

Allow people to make more than one vote so as to cover their second choice

[silentbrown]

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

FFS. "Preferential Voting". Or are the electorate who perfectly understood every last implication of the referendum vote incapable of understanding this?

[Vanden Saab]

silentbrown said:

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

FFS. "Preferential Voting". Or are the electorate who perfectly understood every last implication of the referendum vote incapable of understanding this?

Preferential voting.... forcing people to vote for something they do not want....I doubt the electoral commission would allow a referendum with more than two options...Especially now they have got rid of the 4 self-confessed pro-remain members...

[saaby93]

ash73 said:

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

I expect it would be two binary questions:

1. Do you want to remain in the EU or leave?
2. If we leave do you want to leave with a deal or no deal?

If leave wins Q1, they then look at the result of Q2.

Does 2 really work?
Surely most people would want to leave with some sort of deal for the Irish border and what's going to happen to trade and hence jobs
So assuming leave wins, they'll want some sort of deal

The problem at the moment is a number of people dont like the exact deal on the table
Maybe part 2 needs breaking down into achievable options, like do you want to leave the ECJ, do you want to keep JLR Toyota etc in the UK, Freedom of movement for workers based on skill or no skill etc

[saaby93]

ash73 said:

saaby93 said:

ash73 said:

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

I expect it would be two binary questions:

1. Do you want to remain in the EU or leave?
2. If we leave do you want to leave with a deal or no deal?

If leave wins Q1, they then look at the result of Q2.

Does 2 really work?
Surely most people would want to leave with some sort of deal for the Irish border and what's going to happen to trade and hence jobs
So assuming leave wins, they'll want some sort of deal

The problem at the moment is a number of people dont like the exact deal on the table
Maybe part 2 needs breaking down into achievable options, like do you want to leave the ECJ, do you want to keep JLR Toyota etc in the UK, Freedom of movement for workers based on skill or no skill etc

Pointless cherry picking the EU will just say no. It's whatever deal is on the table (May deal, or maybe EFTA by then).

EFTA wont happen as it includes free movement and making payments, i.e. unless someone decides thats more acceptable than the deal

[oyster]

silentbrown said:

micky metro said:

Surely another "peoples vote" on brexit that had "remain" in the eu and "any two other options" would guarantee a remain win by splitting the leave vote. As good as vote rigging.

FFS. "Preferential Voting". Or are the electorate who perfectly understood every last implication of the referendum vote incapable of understanding this?

It’s ironic we’re told that 2.5 years ago the electorate were smart and knew all that they were voting for, including the finer details of each voting option. Yet these same intelligent voters can’t cope with a 3-option vote!

I abstained in 2016 on the basis that I believe the UK Parliament should be sovereign.

[micky metro]

A "peoples vote" should surely ask the voter, "should we apply to rejoin the eu or not". After next march.

[silentbrown]

Quick update, as the recent shenanigans have brought in more voters:

On first Preference votes, No Deal 42%, Remain 36%, May's deal 21%
After transfer of eliminated loser's votes, we get No Deal 57%, Remain 42%.

No deal still ahead, but gap has closed a bit. If it was a binary vote, we'd see

* No Deal 57% would beat Remain 42%
* No Deal 54% would beat Mays Deal 45%
* Remain 55% would beat Mays Deal 44%

[wst]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Because many people understand that a statement from our government that:


Note: Government, not Party promise.

The Government can promise what it likes, it's not supreme. It's efforts have been found wanting, it's turned out a deal which literally no-one likes.

[NoNeed]

wst said:

he Government can promise what it likes, it's not supreme. It's efforts have been found wanting, it's turned out a deal which literally no-one likes.

It's a remain parliament, no deal will do it wants to remain and has no intention of allowing the government to implement the vote result