Brexit Referendum - top two choices

[Russian Troll Bot]

Polite M135 driver said:

Personally I do think it's important that, if we are going to make decisions by referendum, the referendum is enacted in a timely way. Because otherwise you are acting on outdated information. If we found out the government were making policy decisions on information that is 2 years out of date, we would rightly be angry. So now we have a deal, put it to the people to vote on, now we have (more, although still scant) details. That way we get the highest possible fidelity decision.

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

[Polite M135 driver]

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

We have a political statement issued jointly by the EU and UK government about what the future relationship is intended to look like.

We also have Teresa May confirming that the government will end the right to freedom of movement within the EU for all British citizens.

This is substantive information that people can make better decisions based on.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

We have a political statement issued jointly by the EU and UK government about what the future relationship is intended to look like.

We also have Teresa May confirming that the government will end the right to freedom of movement within the EU for all British citizens.

This is substantive information that people can make better decisions based on.

That's a prediction of our future relationship and policies

[Polite M135 driver]

Russian Troll Bot said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

We have a political statement issued jointly by the EU and UK government about what the future relationship is intended to look like.

We also have Teresa May confirming that the government will end the right to freedom of movement within the EU for all British citizens.

This is substantive information that people can make better decisions based on.

That's a prediction of our future relationship and policies

no, it's a statement of intent. Which is different from a prediction.

[City_boy]

Polite M135 driver said:

no, it's a statement of intent. Which is different from a prediction.

Those people who have something substantial to offer will always be welcomed, both ways.

[Russian Troll Bot]

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

We have a political statement issued jointly by the EU and UK government about what the future relationship is intended to look like.

We also have Teresa May confirming that the government will end the right to freedom of movement within the EU for all British citizens.

This is substantive information that people can make better decisions based on.

That's a prediction of our future relationship and policies

no, it's a statement of intent. Which is different from a prediction.

Which is different from a fact. Me saying I will eat a sandwich for lunch today is a statement of intent, it doesn't become a fact until I eat it.

[ITP]

Russian Troll Bot said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

We have a political statement issued jointly by the EU and UK government about what the future relationship is intended to look like.

We also have Teresa May confirming that the government will end the right to freedom of movement within the EU for all British citizens.

This is substantive information that people can make better decisions based on.

That's a prediction of our future relationship and policies

no, it's a statement of intent. Which is different from a prediction.

Which is different from a fact. Me saying I will eat a sandwich for lunch today is a statement of intent, it doesn't become a fact until I eat it.

Quite.
Plus, we have to pay 39bn for the sandwich two years up front, which we will never be given.

[thatjagbloke]

NoNeed said:

Remain in the EU in its current form has already been rejected, so unless the EU would reform to offer something different it should never be on the ballet

Swan Lake or The Nutcracker ?

[silentbrown]

Russian Troll Bot said:

What facts (not opinions, forecasts or predictions) are we in possession of now that we weren't 2 years ago?

The Withdrawal Agreement, and all it entails.

That, and it's clear that our negotiating position and abilities have been weak, while the EU's position has been pretty robust. So any dramatically "better deal" is just wishful thinking.

[NoNeed]

silentbrown said:

The Withdrawal Agreement, and all it entails.

That, and it's clear that our negotiating position and abilities have been weak, while the EU's position has been pretty robust. So any dramatically "better deal" is just wishful thinking.

It was our own parliament that made us weak with all the bickering, had they clubbed together to deliver the vote I think our position would be very different.

[Piha]

NoNeed said:

It was our own parliament that made us weak with all the bickering, had they clubbed together to deliver the vote I think our position would be very different.

I do recall Leave being told that getting a good deal from the EU would be difficult and we had the best deal we could ever hope for but Leave refused to listen. If only we had written it on the side of a big red bus.....

[Helicopter123]

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

[Piha]

Helicopter123 said:

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

[Vanden Saab]

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Ha ha rejecting May's deal is win win win for us. If it is rejected the options are go back and get a deal that is acceptable. Leave with no deal or cancel brexit which will result in a brexit party being formed that will take us out after the next election.

[Tyre Smoke]

Piha said:

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Not often I agree with Corbyn, but even though it's a soundbite, by definition it's the only deal on offer so it's also the worst deal.

[Piha]

Tyre Smoke said:

Piha said:

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Not often I agree with Corbyn, but even though it's a soundbite, by definition it's the only deal on offer so it's also the worst deal.

Agreed, maybe I should have put "only" deal on offer, although I don't look forward to a No Deal exit.

[WCZ]

parliament won't pass no deal and won't pass may's deal though?

we have to remain unfortunately until a rival party comes into power ?

[Piha]

WCZ said:

parliament won't pass no deal and won't pass may's deal though?

we have to remain unfortunately until a rival party comes into power ?

Any Brexit focussed party will attract a certain amount of extreme right wing followers. Thus making any such party toxic to any sane thinking voter. Just ask farage.

[neil1jnr]

Vanden Saab said:

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Ha ha rejecting May's deal is win win win for us. If it is rejected the options are go back and get a deal that is acceptable. Leave with no deal or cancel brexit which will result in a brexit party being formed that will take us out after the next election.

No deal is the best option. May did an awful job. Don't get me started on 'a peoples vote'. We have had that in 2016 remember, the people have made their decision. Regardless which way you voted we have to leave.

[Piha]

neil1jnr said:

Vanden Saab said:

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

City_boy said:

Piha said:

Then maybe you should ask yourself if the tories included any declaration of aims or policy in that manifesto that they clearly had little control over.

Surely you don't believe everything a political party says just to gain votes?

There were some quite explicit requirements, yes. Can I assume you don’t know what these were?

The Tories were elected to deliver a Brexit deal.

May has concluded the negotiations and her deal is now in front of parliament.

I do believe that Helicopter123 is correct. It is time for the Brexiteers to get behind TM and support her Brexit deal. If you don't give TM your support then I expect a Peoples Vote and who knows what result you might get.

It is up to you Brexit supporters, it's your choice. You have your deal, it's the best on offer, now support TM or risk losing your beloved Brexit to the Remain brigades!

Ha ha rejecting May's deal is win win win for us. If it is rejected the options are go back and get a deal that is acceptable. Leave with no deal or cancel brexit which will result in a brexit party being formed that will take us out after the next election.

No deal is the best option. May did an awful job. Don't get me started on 'a peoples vote'. We have had that in 2016 remember, the people have made their decision. Regardless which way you voted we have to leave.

The Peoples Vote is coming. 640000 people took to the streets the capital to protest this. A million + signed the petition that was delivered to parliament this week.

Lets see how many join the Brexit march...........