How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)
Discussion
F1GTRUeno said:
Nope, but the demographic of generally angry oldish male that voted for Brexit is very much the mass makeup of the PH demographic so it's not really surprising is it?
Bunch of middle aged, whining, s
tbags basically.
Bunch of middle aged, whining, s
tbags basically.
A post typical of a naive indoctrinated angry young male that voted against Brexit; one who isn't aware that most posts on the EU negotiations threads are made by angry remainers.
Bunch of juvenile, deluded, whining, s
tbags basically. Did I do it right?
funkyrobot said:
If anything, this episode has shown that not only are our MP's deluded and out of touch, it has also shown that a lot of remainers are only happy with democracy when the vote goes the way they want.
Vince Cable actually said if we had a new Referendum and the vote was 52/48 to Remain we should just accept it and move on.This is what we are up against.
Ghibli said:
saaby93 said:
no it isnt
If the decision is the same we still need to find a way of exiting, while keeping border arrangements.
A trade deal would be useful and should help with the border issue
i.e. back to the deal on the table
No deal is the only thing that the Goverment can guarantee. If the decision is the same we still need to find a way of exiting, while keeping border arrangements.
A trade deal would be useful and should help with the border issue
i.e. back to the deal on the table
johnxjsc1985 said:
funkyrobot said:
If anything, this episode has shown that not only are our MP's deluded and out of touch, it has also shown that a lot of remainers are only happy with democracy when the vote goes the way they want.
Vince Cable actually said if we had a new Referendum and the vote was 52/48 to Remain we should just accept it and move on.This is what we are up against.
Such a shame that so many people have died over the years so that we have the opportunity to make a choice. The way some remainers are behaving is pathetic. Aren't they an angry lot.
I guess we need to keep having a referendum until we get the 'right' answer.
We do need a fresh start in parliament though. I doubt any of them feel bad about the way they have acted. Bunch of self serving, arrogant and out of touch plonkers.
vonuber said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Vince Cable actually said if we had a new Referendum and the vote was 52/48 to Remain we should just accept it and move on.
This is what we are up against.
And saint Farage said if it was that close then it was not a settled matter, so what's your point.This is what we are up against.
philv said:
andy_s said:
Helicopter123 said:
Driving home tonight, Lord Hesaltine was on LBC making a very powerful case for a People’s Vote. He was pointing out that since the 2016 vote many older predominantly Brexit voters will have died, while many young enthusiastic remain voters have reached voting age. Surely they should have a voice?
Very interesting argument from a widely respected politician.
There may be good arguments for a second bite of the cherry, but that's not one of them. He does understand how age works doesn't he? Do we say people shouldn't vote in a GE if they are over 70 as they probably won't be affected and let 13 year olds vote because they will?Very interesting argument from a widely respected politician.
Tne referendum was invalid.
We voted to be in tne eu decades ago,
Tnat should obviously stand for eternity.
No matter what change in voters or circumstances.
In 1975 they were given a referendum on whether or not they wanted the UK to remain in the EEC after already having been sold into it without asking their permission, by Edward Heaths government.
The people of the UK could not have been asked if they wanted the UK to be in the EU in 1975, because in 1975 the EU did not even exist, and there was no way that they would know then what the EU was or what it would do.
If people were asked to vote to join a cricket club in 1975, and then some years later that `club' changed ITSELF into a club for pedophiles, without asking the members if this was what they wanted , they would be screaming blue murder. Yet this would be the equivalent of what happened in 1975, and even now there are some who wish to ignore the undemocratic way the UK was taken into the EU in the first place.
The first and only time the people of the UK were given the chance to vote on whether or not they wanted the UK to be in the EU was in 2016, They voted to leave on the basis of 40 years of experience of the EU, something that was patently NOT available in 1975. And yet we have people bleating that there was not enough information available in the run up to the 2016 referendum. Absolute rubbish.
As some have stated two people can do research into the matter and come up with a different answer., I like others researched into the UK`s relationship with the EU, and came up with the answer that the UK should get out of the EU as fast as it possibly could. Nothing has enabled me to change that viewpoint.
All the posts here might be interesting, amusing even, but none of them make the slightest difference to what will happen with regard to the UK and EU, that is being decided by others, both in the UK and the EU, who actually have some jurisdiction over what will happen.
If the remainers were not willing to accept the results of the first referendum, why do they think the leavers would accept the results of a second if turns out as a remain win? Is it the case that they only want to accept the results of a referendum if it gives them the result `they' want?
vonuber said:
And saint Farage said if it was that close then it was not a settled matter, so what's your point.
WTF has Farage go to do with it he isn't an MP Cable is an elected MP. Farage has no influence on Parliament Farage has had no influence on this for 2 years but it suits you and your ilk to throw his name in to distract from the way Parliament is ignoring the will of the people.funkyrobot said:
It's crazy. I doubt this country is geared up for democracy. We should just be controlled by a dictator and told what to do.
Such a shame that so many people have died over the years so that we have the opportunity to make a choice. The way some remainers are behaving is pathetic. Aren't they an angry lot.
I guess we need to keep having a referendum until we get the 'right' answer.
We do need a fresh start in parliament though. I doubt any of them feel bad about the way they have acted. Bunch of self serving, arrogant and out of touch plonkers.
Or you could get an education and learn what Democracy actually is instead of espousing the ignorant Propaganda instilled by your Puppet Masters. Such a shame that so many people have died over the years so that we have the opportunity to make a choice. The way some remainers are behaving is pathetic. Aren't they an angry lot.
I guess we need to keep having a referendum until we get the 'right' answer.
We do need a fresh start in parliament though. I doubt any of them feel bad about the way they have acted. Bunch of self serving, arrogant and out of touch plonkers.
There is nothing, nothing undemocratic about asking the Electorate if they are still happy to proceed down a specific path once the choices are better informed; which they undoubtedly are, to all intelligent people.
To continue to deny this, betrays a Gollum-like fear of losing what is most precious to you, even at the cost of true Democracy.
andy_s said:
Ghibli said:
saaby93 said:
no it isnt
If the decision is the same we still need to find a way of exiting, while keeping border arrangements.
A trade deal would be useful and should help with the border issue
i.e. back to the deal on the table
No deal is the only thing that the Goverment can guarantee. If the decision is the same we still need to find a way of exiting, while keeping border arrangements.
A trade deal would be useful and should help with the border issue
i.e. back to the deal on the table
and our big manufacturing is saying 'we need to keep a trade deal with the EU'
Both those lead to the deal on the table
At the moment the deal happens on March 29th same day as Brexit
Why go through months of turmoil to end up with the same thing?
I know - because we're British and won the war
vonuber said:
pistonheads2018 said:
Which meant he would continue to campaign for a future referendum, not that he’d refuse to accept the results of this one.
So there's nothing wrong with people campaigning for a second referendum then is there.vonuber said:
pistonheads2018 said:
Which meant he would continue to campaign for a future referendum, not that he’d refuse to accept the results of this one.
So there's nothing wrong with people campaigning for a second referendum then is there.johnxjsc1985 said:
WTF has Farage go to do with it he isn't an MP Cable is an elected MP. Farage has no influence on Parliament Farage has had no influence on this for 2 years but it suits you and your ilk to throw his name in to distract from the way Parliament is ignoring the will of the people.
'The will of the people'? Oh give over with the emotive bks.saaby93 said:
es but when you get 'no deal' you then have to go to ' how do we solve the Ireland border issue' we need a deal in place to solve it
and our big manufacturing is saying 'we need to keep a trade deal with the EU'
Both those lead to the deal on the table
At the moment the deal happens on March 29th same day as Brexit
Why go through months of turmoil to end up with the same thing?
I know - because we're British and won the war
Simply not true.and our big manufacturing is saying 'we need to keep a trade deal with the EU'
Both those lead to the deal on the table
At the moment the deal happens on March 29th same day as Brexit
Why go through months of turmoil to end up with the same thing?
I know - because we're British and won the war
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