How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)
Discussion
toppstuff said:
Tuna said:
But we will be subject to the rules and regulations of the CU (without veto), unable to form our own trade deals, subject to rulings by the ECJ and still on the hook for access fees that are estimated to be around the same amount as the current membership fees. Oh and we pay $40bn up front for the privilege.
Do you genuinely think that's going to be good for the economy?
Why bother asking, you've been presented this information enough times already, and make a big deal of ignoring it.
All of which was entirely predictable. Which is why I voted remain. Penny dropped yet?Do you genuinely think that's going to be good for the economy?
Why bother asking, you've been presented this information enough times already, and make a big deal of ignoring it.
And don’t forget there is an insufficient parliamentary majority to allow us to default to no deal.
Has the penny dropped yet? No...clearly not.
toppstuff said:
All of which was entirely predictable. Which is why I voted remain. Penny dropped yet?
And don’t forget there is an insufficient parliamentary majority to allow us to default to no deal.
Sorry, do you still think I voted Leave? How long has the penny been falling on your side???And don’t forget there is an insufficient parliamentary majority to allow us to default to no deal.
Tuna said:
toppstuff said:
All of which was entirely predictable. Which is why I voted remain. Penny dropped yet?
And don’t forget there is an insufficient parliamentary majority to allow us to default to no deal.
Sorry, do you still think I voted Leave? How long has the penny been falling on your side???And don’t forget there is an insufficient parliamentary majority to allow us to default to no deal.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Looks like she will get 2/3 of the vote and survive the contest, she can't be challenged for a year.
Her deal will get voted down.
She won't accept a no deal brexit.
What then?
Then our sovereign parliament will have decided on no Brexit for the time being.Her deal will get voted down.
She won't accept a no deal brexit.
What then?
Likely another referendum to pass the buck back to the people.
Angry Brexiters (this occurs in any case). Anger expressed with angry online comments about riots, no actual riots.
200 / 117
Still, it shows she doesnt have a farts chance in hell of passing the WA after xmas without getting the backstop dropped.
One thing I am very surprised at is how she is absolutely set on not having a second ref.
Perhaps she doesnt wish to go down as the most duplicitous Conservative in history.
Or even more left field (and why the likes of Mordant etc have stayed) is May will leave it till the last moment and say fine, the backstop puts us in an impossible position - WTO it is...
Still, it shows she doesnt have a farts chance in hell of passing the WA after xmas without getting the backstop dropped.
One thing I am very surprised at is how she is absolutely set on not having a second ref.
Perhaps she doesnt wish to go down as the most duplicitous Conservative in history.
Or even more left field (and why the likes of Mordant etc have stayed) is May will leave it till the last moment and say fine, the backstop puts us in an impossible position - WTO it is...
FiF said:
Easy win, but promised to quit before next GE.
I'm not sure many will think 117 votes of no confidence is a resounding vote of confidence.That's 117 votes against May's deal when it does get back to the House.
The numbers for the deal going through only stack up if you ask Dianne Abbott to do the arithmetic.
What we already knew has been confirmed: the so-called 'hard Brexiters' are now completely defeated.
Whether they played the final card themselves or their bluff was deliberately called by others, they are now finished.
As we have long predicted...WTO is not an option. It never really was.
Whether they played the final card themselves or their bluff was deliberately called by others, they are now finished.
As we have long predicted...WTO is not an option. It never really was.
Some Gump said:
pubrunner said:
For the last 5 or 6 years, we've taken our family holidays in the UK . . . supporting the British tourist industry .
This year, we were up in Northumberland and at the place where we stayed, the owners told us that a positive effect of Brexit, is that more folk are taking their holidays 'at home' in the UK.
If you go back far enough . . . within my lifetime , very few people went abroad for holidays.
I'm from up that way.This year, we were up in Northumberland and at the place where we stayed, the owners told us that a positive effect of Brexit, is that more folk are taking their holidays 'at home' in the UK.
If you go back far enough . . . within my lifetime
, very few people went abroad for holidays. Few things to note...
First, thd notth east is still a place you hear the word "darkies" from older people, despite it being 2018.
Next, it's the first good sjmmer in years.
..and the exchange rate is s
t.Correlation is not causatjon, and confirmation bias is a thing.
don'tbesilly said:
FiF said:
Easy win, but promised to quit before next GE.
I'm not sure many will think 117 votes of no confidence is a resounding vote of confidence.That's 117 votes against May's deal when it does get back to the House.
The numbers for the deal going through only stack up if you ask Dianne Abbott to do the arithmetic.
Unless something is done around the backstop area then that deal is likely to be voted down unless something staggering occurs.
This leadership contest, regardless what you think of May, personally despise her just from her time as HomeSec, was the wrong thing at absolutely THE worst moment without question.
Tuna said:
Toppstuff:
You presume I’m a practising lawyer. I could be a circus juggler. toppstuff said:
At no time have I ever presumed to judge your position
Also topstuff: toppstuff said:
Penny dropped yet?
You presume all the time. Why do lawyers always get such a bad reputation? Hmmm...don'tbesilly said:
That's 117 votes against May's deal when it does get back to the House.
And some. Grieve, Soubry (and probably more) were voting FOR May today...Either referendum or GE, it's got to go back to the country. Government can't deliver what they promised, and Parliament has no appetite to accept the compromise. I can't see any other option.
toppstuff said:
Defer art 50.
Another referendum.
That’s my guess.
However, deferral requires consent of the 27 EU countries, doesn't it? And even if Art.50 were able to be deferred, the EU will be (has always been) very clear that they won't change their deal. So the referendum choice can only be:Another referendum.
That’s my guess.
1. May's deal
2. No Brexit
On the other hand, the EU says they're ready for any outcome. So they might say no to deferring Art50 (why should they yes anyway?), which will force UK Parliament to call off Brexit because Parliament won't be able to figure out calling a referendum before the end of March.
Thus, with Parliament backed into a corner between no deal and no Brexit, Parliament will withdraw Art.50 just before the end of March.
Place your bets!!!!
lenny007 said:
As am i - if you want to find racism, it's pretty much under any rock in any place in any town in the world. Just because someone had something positive to say about having a holiday in this country - in the North East - doesn't automatically make "because racist" the default response. That says more about you and your attitudes than the North East or the people who live there.
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