How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)

[johnxjsc1985]

"Battle of Britain" just on ITV 4 now should have made the Cabinet watch it those Germans don't like it up them Hope they are all enjoying a nice quiet weekend at home whilst the rest of the Country try to get their heads around what the hell is going on.

[alfie2244]

Vanden Saab said:

Helicopter123 said:

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

Just delighted to see the amount of chat on here about a People's Vote.

It's just a couple of months since so many rudely dismissed the possibility.

Don't get too excited, it's never going to happen.

The odds continue to shorten, now just 6/4 on Betfair.

Whenever Budgie posts anything it is always good to check what he doesn't tell you... The odds against a second ref. are 1/1

Mxnutter will be on shortly to back him up.

[Helicopter123]

Vanden Saab said:

Helicopter123 said:

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

Just delighted to see the amount of chat on here about a People's Vote.

It's just a couple of months since so many rudely dismissed the possibility.

Don't get too excited, it's never going to happen.

The odds continue to shorten, now just 6/4 on Betfair.

Whenever Budgie posts anything it is always good to check what he doesn't tell you... The odds against a second ref. are 1/1

You are looking at odds of a second ref by 2019. Look at odds of one by 2020 (next 12 months, not next 2 weeks!)

[wst]

Downside there being that we may not be accepted into the EFTA due to our Government's sheer talent.

[Troubleatmill]

Vanden Saab said:

Helicopter123 said:

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

Just delighted to see the amount of chat on here about a People's Vote.

It's just a couple of months since so many rudely dismissed the possibility.

Don't get too excited, it's never going to happen.

The odds continue to shorten, now just 6/4 on Betfair.

Whenever Budgie posts anything it is always good to check what he doesn't tell you... The odds against a second ref. are 1/1

I have recently found it much better to ignore what Budgie says - there are a number of articulate Remainers available - better to debate with them.


Oh... Good post!

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

Just delighted to see the amount of chat on here about a People's Vote.

It's just a couple of months since so many rudely dismissed the possibility.

It’s great isn’t it
Until recently you would be pilloried for daring to suggest such a thing. Now the momentum is heading towards just that, a people’s vote between Mays deal or remain.

[saaby93]

wst said:

Downside there being that we may not be accepted into the EFTA due to our Government's sheer talent.

It depends whether you think EFTA meets the requirements of exit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/n...

[davepoth]

wst said:

Downside there being that we may not be accepted into the EFTA due to our Government's sheer talent.

And the EU won't let us do it without a backstop, which leaves us no further forwards.

[gothatway]

Jimboka said:

a people’s vote between Mays deal or remain.

Good of you to let us know that that's what you've decided. What threshold will apply - 50% as we had in the first referendum, or something higher to reflect the status quo (which is that we're leaving and is what many remainers complained about after the first ref) ?

[johnxjsc1985]

Well judging by the negotiation so far it doesn't really look too good for future trade negotiations if after 2 years we are still nowhere near a deal.

[Helicopter123]

[bitchstewie]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Well judging by the negotiation so far it doesn't really look too good for future trade negotiations if after 2 years we are still nowhere near a deal.

We'll have those done in an afternoon and they'll be the easiest trade deals in history.

[alfie2244]

Troubleatmill said:

I have recently found it much better to ignore what Budgie says - there are a number of articulate Remainers available - better to debate with them.


Oh... Good post!

Good post.

[gooner1]

Helicopter123 said:

You are looking at odds of a second ref by 2019. Look at odds of one by 2020 (next 12 months, not next 2 weeks!)

So after how bad things have gone for May, and the rest of the UK through association,
the odds for a2nd Ref will be better in 2020 than they are now.
Smashing.

[Murph7355]

Ghibli said:

Brexit MPs can't even see what the border problem is. I can't see why the EU would want us in charge of ending the backstop.

We have said there won't be any harder border there than currently exists under any circumstances.

The Irish have said the same.

The EU haven't been quite so explicit but support the Irish in their statement. Of course they cannot (at the moment) categorically state there is no issue there for obvious reasons.

I think anyone could be forgiven for not being able to see what the border problem is. Unless one wishes to see one, but then that applies to anything.

[MrNoisy]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Well judging by the negotiation so far it doesn't really look too good for future trade negotiations if after 2 years we are still nowhere near a deal.

There has been little interest in progressing forward by many on both sides in the hope of derailing Brexit and making Remain a default option. I suspect they may well succeed.

If on the other hand we were to ‘crash out’ I suspect the ability to move things forward would be increased.

When business starts actually losing money the pressure on the politicians will be rapidly ratcheted up.

It’s always been the case that if the only game in town was leaving it would spur everybody on to sort out there st.

Hats off to remain, they have understood this better and played a blinder. I think they have probably won by default now. I doubt though this will be the end of the matter.

[crankedup]

Helicopter123 said:

Robertj21a said:

Helicopter123 said:

Just delighted to see the amount of chat on here about a People's Vote.

It's just a couple of months since so many rudely dismissed the possibility.

Don't get too excited, it's never going to happen.

The odds continue to shorten, now just 6/4 on Betfair.

You must have put your shirt on the 2nd referendum ‘on’ bet.

[Robertj21a]

Troubleatmill said:

Or how about...


1/ We fully embrace the EU - and lead the way at being the very best EU citizens
Which means....

We drop the pound and adopt the Euro.
We drop London and make Frankfurt the Economic financial capital of Europe.
We agree to close all our embassies in favour EU ones where present
We let the EU set foreign policy
We let the EU create and set all policy.
We fully embrace all EU rules and drop our vetos.
We fully fund the EU army including access to our nuclear weapons.

In short - we fulfil the EU dream of turning a local member country into a county parish.


2/ Fully Leave


We should be voting to be "All in" - or "All out"


I think the phrase is "we piss or get off the pot"

Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 15th December 18:03

We've already voted All in or All out. It was called the Referendum !

[toppstuff]

Robertj21a said:

We've already voted All in or All out. It was called the Referendum !

Except that isn’t what happened. We voted out without explaining what out means.

We have brexit. Just some people don’t like this flavour of brexit.

[Jazzy Jag]

toppstuff said:

Robertj21a said:

We've already voted All in or All out. It was called the Referendum !

Except that isn’t what happened. We voted out without explaining what out means.

We have brexit. Just some people don’t like this flavour of brexit.

By the same token a lot of people voted remain without explaining what Remain would mean.