How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)

[toppstuff]

saaby93 said:

p1stonhead said:

Wishful thinking. If anything surely it’ll be no deal / TM deal?

No deal disappeared last week when JRM lost handsomely

The chance of a so called better deal (no one seems to know what it might be) disappeared when the EU roundly stated that the done deal was it.

All roads lead to the deal

WTO outcome is never going to happen. Parliament does not want it and won’t allow the country to drift into it by default. They’ll vote to extend or cancel art 50 to stop no deal happening. The EU has given that escape route already.

[PurpleMoonlight]

toppstuff said:

WTO outcome is never going to happen. Parliament does not want it and won’t allow the country to drift into it by default. They’ll vote to extend or cancel art 50 to stop no deal happening. The EU has given that escape route already.

Are they actually organised enough to do that though?

[otis criblecoblis]

TTwiggy said:

Nickgnome said:

You are coming across as an ill-informed and argumentative person.

You should have met his previous incarnation. That one could start an argument in a vacuum.

I'd be more worried if I was lacking in answering basic questions on things I cite as answers.
Both of you seem more interested in diversions from the deabte and providing any answers. Kinda says it all.

[TTwiggy]

otis criblecoblis said:

I'd be more worried if I was lacking in answering basic questions on things I cite as answers.
Both of you seem more interested in diversions from the deabte and providing any answers. Kinda says it all.

'Debate' left the room several volumes ago. I'm just here to laugh at the efforts some people go to in order to continue a vacuous argument on the internet.

[otis criblecoblis]

don'tbesilly said:

TTwiggy said:

Nickgnome said:

You are coming across as an ill-informed and argumentative person.

You should have met his previous incarnation. That one could start an argument in a vacuum.

The name would be useful, who is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_Rmpd3PZI

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

Nickgnome said:

You are coming across as an ill-informed and argumentative person.

You should have met his previous incarnation. That one could start an argument in a vacuum.

Good post

[don'tbesilly]

otis criblecoblis said:

don'tbesilly said:

TTwiggy said:

Nickgnome said:

You are coming across as an ill-informed and argumentative person.

You should have met his previous incarnation. That one could start an argument in a vacuum.

The name would be useful, who is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_Rmpd3PZI

[otis criblecoblis]

TTwiggy said:

otis criblecoblis said:

I'd be more worried if I was lacking in answering basic questions on things I cite as answers.
Both of you seem more interested in diversions from the deabte and providing any answers. Kinda says it all.

'Debate' left the room several volumes ago. I'm just here to laugh at the efforts some people go to in order to continue a vacuous argument on the internet.

Hey, we agree ! The clause is lame, so was Nick's and Helicopter's support of it.

[Robertj21a]

Surely, it's going to end up as the TM deal (or an outside chance of still No deal) ?

[p1stonhead]

Robertj21a said:

Surely, it's going to end up as the TM deal (or an outside chance of still No deal) ?

Somehow, she will get her deal through. No idea how, but it’s the only real way things will happen. We’re not ones for doing really silly things (either no deal or trying to Remain now) really. MP’s are in it for their careers and it’s probably the only way they’ll stay safe.

Funnily enough, it’s a disappointment for everyone. Leavers because it’s not leave enough, and Remainers because it’s not remaining.

Everyone loses and is annoyed a bit, but no one totally. That’s probably not a bad thing in the end

[JagLover]

p1stonhead said:

Somehow, she will get her deal through. No idea how, but it’s the only real way things will happen. We’re not ones for doing really silly things (either no deal or trying to Remain now) really. MP’s are in it for their careers and it’s probably the only way they’ll stay safe.

Funnily enough, it’s a disappointment for everyone. Leavers because it’s not leave enough, and Remainers because it’s not remaining.

Everyone loses and is annoyed a bit, but no one totally. That’s probably not a bad thing in the end

I think once it sinks in just how poor May's deal is, and that we are locked into it, there will be many people annoyed rather more than a bit in that scenario.

[don'tbesilly]

p1stonhead said:

Robertj21a said:

Surely, it's going to end up as the TM deal (or an outside chance of still No deal) ?

Somehow, she will get her deal through. No idea how, but it’s the only real way things will happen. We’re not ones for doing really silly things (either no deal or trying to Remain now) really. MP’s are in it for their careers and it’s probably the only way they’ll stay safe.

Funnily enough, it’s a disappointment for everyone. Leavers because it’s not leave enough, and Remainers because it’s not remaining.

Everyone loses and is annoyed a bit, but no one totally. That’s probably not a bad thing in the end

I'm coming round to the inevitable, best take the EU at their word what could possibly go wrong.....................the exception being a Tory govt.

Still May & the Tories won't be around at the next GE.

[loafer123]

JagLover said:

I think once it sinks in just how poor May's deal is, and that we are locked into it, there will be many people annoyed rather more than a bit in that scenario.

I wouldn't worry too much.

If they play hardball too much on the FTA, as a sovereign nation, we can always revoke the treaty and flip to No Deal then, citing intransigence. They think they have the upper hand, but it only goes so far.

[saaby93]

don'tbesilly said:

I'm coming round to the inevitable, best take the EU at their word what could possibly go wrong.....................the exception being a Tory govt.

Still May & the Tories won't be around at the next GE.

Corbyns thanking his lucky stars he's not having to sail the boat
Whoever wins the next GE will have the same pile of paperwork to deal with

[don'tbesilly]

saaby93 said:

don'tbesilly said:

I'm coming round to the inevitable, best take the EU at their word what could possibly go wrong.....................the exception being a Tory govt.

Still May & the Tories won't be around at the next GE.

Corbyns thanking his lucky stars he's not having to sail the boat
Whoever wins the next GE will have the same pile of paperwork to deal with

It won't be May the remainer PM though, she's going to to do a Cameron, the difference being May has given notice, sensible but nothing else.

[Helicopter123]

saaby93 said:

don'tbesilly said:

I'm coming round to the inevitable, best take the EU at their word what could possibly go wrong.....................the exception being a Tory govt.

Still May & the Tories won't be around at the next GE.

Corbyns thanking his lucky stars he's not having to sail the boat
Whoever wins the next GE will have the same pile of paperwork to deal with

Only if they choose to.

A People's Vote tidies up the current mess, one way or the other.

Revoks A50 and remain on current terms, or a clean departure from the EU.

[p1stonhead]

Helicopter123 said:

saaby93 said:

don'tbesilly said:

I'm coming round to the inevitable, best take the EU at their word what could possibly go wrong.....................the exception being a Tory govt.

Still May & the Tories won't be around at the next GE.

Corbyns thanking his lucky stars he's not having to sail the boat
Whoever wins the next GE will have the same pile of paperwork to deal with

Only if they choose to.

A People's Vote tidies up the current mess, one way or the other.

Revoks A50 and remain on current terms, or a clean departure from the EU.

Those are the two extremes though, which like it or not, will make the other half absolutely livid and would also mean the divisions will run for decades quite horribly.

Hence TM’s deal will win. At least people from both sides could possibly all try to collectively get over it in time.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Helicopter123 said:

Only if they choose to.

A People's Vote tidies up the current mess, one way or the other.

Revoks A50 and ACCEPT more EU drip by drip (as the last 40+ years), or a clean departure from the EU.

FTFU

You must stop these LIES about there being a status quo.

[Robertj21a]

ash73 said:

Helicopter123 said:

A People's Vote tidies up the current mess, one way or the other.

It would just cause more division, referendums never settle matters people just go on arguing as they did before.

And the government won't risk it because they've learned from experience they can output the "wrong" answer.

They'd have no choice but to offer "no deal" as an option, and it's entirely possible the public might go for it.

Quite. Any further vote will only serve to annoy many of the electorate who already feel let down by the EU, and probably most UK politicians in general. If you end up having to put an option of 'No deal' I would expect a sizeable majority to go for it.

But it won't be needed anyway, it looks like being the TM deal.

[Helicopter123]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Helicopter123 said:

Only if they choose to.

A People's Vote tidies up the current mess, one way or the other.

Revoks A50 and ACCEPT more EU drip by drip (as the last 40+ years), or a clean departure from the EU.

FTFU

You must stop these LIES about there being a status quo.

I speak the truth,

The status quo is an option.
Because.
The ECJ.