How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 6)

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toppstuff

13,696 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th January
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loafer123 said:
More than 50% did vote for one position, which was to Leave. Not do a deal. Not do a transition. Leave.
Incorrect. 37.7% of the electorate voted Leave.

Helicopter123

6,362 posts

102 months

Saturday 12th January
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And another!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46851664

Former Labour deputy leader Roy Hattersley has said he supports another Brexit referendum "very strongly".

PurpleMoonlight

17,060 posts

103 months

Saturday 12th January
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loafer123 said:
More than 50% did vote for one position, which was to Leave. Not do a deal. Not do a transition. Leave.
That is an extreme view.

toppstuff

13,696 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th January
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PurpleMoonlight said:
loafer123 said:
More than 50% did vote for one position, which was to Leave. Not do a deal. Not do a transition. Leave.
That is an extreme view.
And it’s incorrect.

Piha

1,844 posts

38 months

Saturday 12th January
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Helicopter123 said:
And another!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46851664

Former Labour deputy leader Roy Hattersley has said he supports another Brexit referendum "very strongly".
Lovely to see a Peoples Vote event attracting political royalty. I'm afraid I couldn't attend due to previous commitments.

ash73

16,607 posts

167 months

Saturday 12th January
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Helicopter123 said:
And another!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46851664

Former Labour deputy leader Roy Hattersley has said he supports another Brexit referendum "very strongly".
Ironic he says "sometimes you just have to do what is right, rather than looking at what wins elections" and then calls for a second referendum, which could go either way, rather than pledging to cancel article 50 which is actually what he thinks is the right thing to do.

Pathetic.

Ghibli

3,567 posts

53 months

Saturday 12th January
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PurpleMoonlight said:
That is an extreme view.
You need to remember that some leave voters on his forum have spoken to lots of people and now know what the majority of the country know and think.

It sounds extreme but they do know what they, themselves think.

Tuna

11,999 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th January
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bhstewie said:
They were apparently surprised that voting to leave the EU would end freedom of movement which might cause issues for people who had benefited from freedom of movement because "I didn't vote for that".
I don't think anyone voted for an incompetent government.

Unfortunately this sort of anecdote lets off the Remain voters who have not had to question or face the consequences of their desired outcome. If we had voted to stay, and then had the announcements for the EU Army, or near doubling of our contribution as the rebate was withdrawn, or seen the near collapse of Italy and the apparent start of a continent-wide recession, how many would have been saying "I didn't vote for that"?

It's a fantasy that either side was voting for a known, set-in-stone, economically rosey, full employment and home in time for tea outcome. The vote was for a political direction for this country, driven by lots of personal interests, experiences and beliefs. The outcome was never going to be "What I voted for", any more than the Crash in 2008 was what we voted for when we put Labour in power in 2005, or highest employment on record was what we voted for when we put May in power in 2017.

The ridiculous absolutism on here from people is a constant source of irritation, because it prevents any rational discussion about what's currently happening, or any common ground being found between the different factions. Whenever someone says something can't be changed, I can guarantee some muppet will pop up with "I thought we were taking back control". And whenever two people want different deals to be made we get "I thought you knew what you voted for". It astounds me that a forum full of globe-trotting, powerfully built directors find the concept so hard to grasp.

PurpleMoonlight

17,060 posts

103 months

Saturday 12th January
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500 pages in a little over 5 weeks.

tongue out

Scrump

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