Triple child killer cleared for release

Triple child killer cleared for release

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anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
Well you certainly put me on the spot
If it was up to me I would be happy for the man to remain and die in jail
Due to the crazy justice system that allows people like this man back into a society that doesn't want them, a death sentence would solve the problem but create many other problems
I hope that someone somewhere looks very hard at what is happening and stops the release of this man
You have captured my view on things pretty much exactly there

andy_s

19,405 posts

260 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
Brooking10 said:
Rovinghawk said:
I give you the generally decent people of Germany before 1939 & what they became in the subsequent few years.
You’re going to have to expand upon that because I am struggling to make the link
The fact that educated people could gather around a table and discuss the termination of millions of people.....is possibly what's meant above
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

There's a good frightening book out there somewhere all about it, I think it's called the meeting but am not 100% on this
To paraphrase Solzhenitsyn 'to do evil a person must think it's good or natural, but will seek justification. Self-justification is weak but ideology brings steadfastness and determination'.

But this is getting far from the hangman's situation.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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andy_s said:
But this is getting far from the hangman's situation.
Not that far- the hangman's ideology could be that it's a necessary evil.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
Here's an alternative big question: on a visit to Auschwitz it was pointed out that prisoners could avoid the whip (etc) by themselves becoming a trusty and wielding the whip. My friend & I wondered whether we'd have the principles to refuse or the pragmatism to realise it would happen anyway & we might as well not be the victim- the conclusion was uncomfortable.
That’s massively different though - that’s about self preservation

Per the poster above the whole all pervading socio-political approach and how it drags people in is an awful long way removed from the issue of being an executioner in a balanced society with a robust and ostensibly non prejudicial justice system.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Brooking10 said:
That’s massively different though - that’s about self preservation

Per the poster above the whole all pervading socio-political approach and how it drags people in is an awful long way removed from the issue of being an executioner in a balanced society with a robust and ostensibly non prejudicial justice system.
See the above comment about necessary evil.

If ever you're in the midlands I suggest a large number of beers & a long discussion of our different views.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
andy_s said:
But this is getting far from the hangman's situation.
Not that far- the hangman's ideology could be that it's a necessary evil.
Disagree strongly

Even if one accepts the necessary evil line of thought one of these situations is driven by self preservation for fear of life threatening repercussion and the other is self selection.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Even if one accepts the necessary evil line of thought .
Devil's advocate- who says that the line of thought is actually evil?- Although I used the expression I could have easily said 'for the greater good'.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Rovinghawk said:
Brooking10 said:
Even if one accepts the necessary evil line of thought .
Devil's advocate- who says that the line of thought is actually evil?- Although I used the expression I could have easily said 'for the greater good'.
Two sides of a line.

A line that is significantly thinner in some minds than others wink

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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There are about 20 executions in the US every year.

They don't have a problem with people willing to administer the injection.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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La Liga said:
e's probably the most stupid person I’ve seen on PH in the time I’ve been here. Having said that he genuinely came across as having some issues.

Can you imagine how angry he’s getting being able to browse this topic but not reply?

He’s probably trying to figure out how to make a new email address to rejoin, as he’s likely used his NTL one he got in 1992.
There’s no way of telling if somebody has been banned is there ?

I daren’t say his name as I’m nervous of the whole Candyman effect smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
There are about 20 executions in the US every year.

They don't have a problem with people willing to administer the injection.
Although I did read recently that they are having some fairly unpleasant problems with the injection itself.

I know where I would rather live smile

andy_s

19,405 posts

260 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Rovinghawk said:
andy_s said:
But this is getting far from the hangman's situation.
Not that far- the hangman's ideology could be that it's a necessary evil.
Disagree strongly

Even if one accepts the necessary evil line of thought one of these situations is driven by self preservation for fear of life threatening repercussion and the other is self selection.
It was more in relation to how normal people can be swept up to do evil things - Hitler's camps, Mao's cultural revolution, Pot's Killing Fields etc rather than the state executioner scenario - hence why I thought it 'pretty far'.

For professional executioners I don't know whether they think it's a work-a-day job, [perhaps alien to us but as alien perhaps as being a funeral director would be] or whether there is some 'calling'. I'd prefer to think it's work-a-day with the attitude of 'someone has to do it' and 'they're pretty evil characters anyway', but have no idea.



Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Although I did read recently that they are having some fairly unpleasant problems with the injection itself.

I know where I would rather live smile
Better than the chair.

30 States still have the death penalty.

Worldwide more than half of the countries still have it. (60% ish iirc).

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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andy_s said:
For professional executioners I don't know whether they think it's a work-a-day job, [perhaps alien to us but as alien perhaps as being a funeral director would be] or whether there is some 'calling'.
Anybody wanting to do it should be prhibited from doing so. I feel the same about politicians.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Better than the chair.

30 States still have the death penalty.

Worldwide more than half of the countries still have it. (60% ish iirc).
USA

The richest, most developed, technologically advanced outmoded society in the world smile

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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What the heck has this thread turned into?

Bigends

5,424 posts

129 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Brooking10 said:
Although I did read recently that they are having some fairly unpleasant problems with the injection itself.

I know where I would rather live smile
Better than the chair.

30 States still have the death penalty.

Worldwide more than half of the countries still have it. (60% ish iirc).
One executed in the chair in Tennessee yesterday - took his chances over lethal injection for a painless end.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Brooking10 said:
La Liga said:
e's probably the most stupid person I’ve seen on PH in the time I’ve been here. Having said that he genuinely came across as having some issues.

Can you imagine how angry he’s getting being able to browse this topic but not reply?

He’s probably trying to figure out how to make a new email address to rejoin, as he’s likely used his NTL one he got in 1992.
There’s no way of telling if somebody has been banned is there ?

I daren’t say his name as I’m nervous of the whole Candyman effect smile
I don’t think there’s a way to tell other than they stop posting.

I imagine we’d have heard from him as he was probably wearing out his F5 key furiously refreshing his webpage so he could bless us with some further moronic posting.


Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Bigends said:
One executed in the chair in Tennessee yesterday - took his chances over lethal injection for a painless end.
Did his eyeballs pop out ?

It's like being fried apparently.

Doesn't always work first time ...

br d

8,403 posts

227 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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La Liga said:


I imagine we’d have heard from him as he was probably wearing out his F5 key furiously refreshing his webpage so he could bless us with some further moronic posting.
I'd long since given up on getting any sense from him but a properly formatted paragraph would have been nice.