The Brexit Christmas list.
Discussion
Ghibli said:
Don't be shy.
There must be something good that you are expecting from Brexit.
Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years..no freedom of movement..no more tax...no more human rights acts....no ECJ rulings ..not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy..imperial not metric...free trade deals..emission regs...GDPR..just a few.There must be something good that you are expecting from Brexit.
don'tbesilly said:
Mrr T said:
Rovinghawk said:
A couple of years ago we had some very good GDP/GNP results & the EU decided that this meant an extra payment to their coffers.
I look forward to crap like that disappearing.
Do you mean the EU budget methodology the UK government agreed to? I look forward to crap like that disappearing.
Sounds like something to look forward to
Ghibli said:
What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.
They haven't come into existence yet how can you look forward to them?Not all current laws were created and written on the stone tablet of the 10 commandments from year dot were they?
Laws come into being from social change and debate over time.
Most of what wc98 said, plus a few more airy fairy bits:
I would like to see some more thorough constitutional reform to make a democracy we can be truly proud of.
A renewed sense of identity and pride in being British, and a feeling that we as a country have a future which is not dependent upon being part of an unloved project dreamed up by continental bureaucrats.
An assertion the democratic nation state is a viable entity for the modern era.
Something like the renewal that took place in the post war era when the old imperial class were seen for the first time (including by themselves) as fallible and even downright wrong, meaning that their founding assumptions about how to govern Britain were challenged.
That's not going to happen on March 30th. It will take decades and engage my children and grandchildren (who may well throw it all out and change course again) but that's the nature of an evolved and evolving democracy.
Nor will it happen as a direct result of repealing the European Communities Act. However the more people believe their votes and their voices matter the more people will get engaged (and we have surely seen that in spades since 2016). But leaving, being self governing and rejecting the fatalistic doctrine of our decline and absorption into a bloc being an undeniable inevitability, is a necessary step towards it.
It's not about getting tangible benefits the day we leave. It's about preserving and improving a viable democracy to pass on to future generations in what I still believe to be the greatest country in the world.
I would like to see some more thorough constitutional reform to make a democracy we can be truly proud of.
A renewed sense of identity and pride in being British, and a feeling that we as a country have a future which is not dependent upon being part of an unloved project dreamed up by continental bureaucrats.
An assertion the democratic nation state is a viable entity for the modern era.
Something like the renewal that took place in the post war era when the old imperial class were seen for the first time (including by themselves) as fallible and even downright wrong, meaning that their founding assumptions about how to govern Britain were challenged.
That's not going to happen on March 30th. It will take decades and engage my children and grandchildren (who may well throw it all out and change course again) but that's the nature of an evolved and evolving democracy.
Nor will it happen as a direct result of repealing the European Communities Act. However the more people believe their votes and their voices matter the more people will get engaged (and we have surely seen that in spades since 2016). But leaving, being self governing and rejecting the fatalistic doctrine of our decline and absorption into a bloc being an undeniable inevitability, is a necessary step towards it.
It's not about getting tangible benefits the day we leave. It's about preserving and improving a viable democracy to pass on to future generations in what I still believe to be the greatest country in the world.
kayc said:
1 -Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years
2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
wst said:
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
TBH I cant be bothered to answer each one individually but the end result is that most of the EU regs/laws are anti-business and based around socialist policies that imo don't work..i don't like big govt and the EU is a great example of that..i like to draw peoples attention to the French stock market compared to the Dow over the last 20 years..sort of sums up how good EU policies are with France being the pinnacle of EU beliefs.The only way the Eu members can survive on the world stage is to club together with protectionist policies unfortunately.2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
wst said:
kayc said:
1 -Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years
2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop)
6) No brainer
7) UK choice not EU Choice
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example.
9) given they are to stay
10) Dont care
wst said:
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones
What kind of person puts themselves up for election as an MEP? Oh yes, a europhile. What a surprise that they love passing EU laws. (Vast majority, obviously UKIP and other anti-EU parties do not count)
Du1point8 said:
wst said:
kayc said:
1 -Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years
2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc. So you wan free movement, but no access to benefits? Don't have an accident on holiday!
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.Who ever got off a criminal charge by turning gay? Are you just trying to expose your homophobia here.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop) Newsflash: the ECJ exists solely to interpret EU Law. It is neutral, as it showed this week, when it returned a verdict on the UK's ability to withdraw the Article 50 notification, in opposition to both the EU Commission and the British Government.
6) No brainer this is only still the case because the French threatened to block the EU budget. Their bluff should be called.
7) UK choice not EU Choice Nobody under 50 would agree. I'm 51 and I don't agree.
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example. Yes, one example, on which I am no expert. Through the EU, we have 36 FTAs. We lose them on exit day.
9) given they are to stay Nobody sane wants to get rid of any of these.
10) Dont care It's a pain, but that's because there was a free-for-all for far too long. Personal data use has to be regulated.
Du1point8 said:
wst said:
kayc said:
1 -Not having to take on board another 50k+ Eu laws into UK law in next 25 years
2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones2 - no freedom of movement
3 - no more tax
4 - no more human rights acts
5 - no ECJ rulings
6 - not have to pay for EU parliament to move once a month to keep the French happy
7 - imperial not metric
8 - free trade deals
9 - emission regs
10 - GDPR
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop)
6) No brainer
7) UK choice not EU Choice
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example.
9) given they are to stay
10) Dont care
Zod said:
Du1point8 said:
1) EU laws are forced even if the country representatives disagree. Rubbish
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc. So you wan free movement, but no access to benefits? Don't have an accident on holiday!
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.Who ever got off a criminal charge by turning gay? Are you just trying to expose your homophobia here.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop) Newsflash: the ECJ exists solely to interpret EU Law. It is neutral, as it showed this week, when it returned a verdict on the UK's ability to withdraw the Article 50 notification, in opposition to both the EU Commission and the British Government.
6) No brainer this is only still the case because the French threatened to block the EU budget. Their bluff should be called.
7) UK choice not EU Choice Nobody under 50 would agree. I'm 51 and I don't agree.
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example. Yes, one example, on which I am no expert. Through the EU, we have 36 FTAs. We lose them on exit day.
9) given they are to stay Nobody sane wants to get rid of any of these.
10) Dont care It's a pain, but that's because there was a free-for-all for far too long. Personal data use has to be regulated.
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc. So you wan free movement, but no access to benefits? Don't have an accident on holiday!
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.Who ever got off a criminal charge by turning gay? Are you just trying to expose your homophobia here.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop) Newsflash: the ECJ exists solely to interpret EU Law. It is neutral, as it showed this week, when it returned a verdict on the UK's ability to withdraw the Article 50 notification, in opposition to both the EU Commission and the British Government.
6) No brainer this is only still the case because the French threatened to block the EU budget. Their bluff should be called.
7) UK choice not EU Choice Nobody under 50 would agree. I'm 51 and I don't agree.
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example. Yes, one example, on which I am no expert. Through the EU, we have 36 FTAs. We lose them on exit day.
9) given they are to stay Nobody sane wants to get rid of any of these.
10) Dont care It's a pain, but that's because there was a free-for-all for far too long. Personal data use has to be regulated.
Yup I got a case of homophobia... criminals have used all those I mentioned to avoid deportation from the UK to claim its against their human rights... I could give a f
k, if you are here but not a citizen and commit a crime then you are deported, if its to 'alleged certain death' then you should have thought about that before commiting a crime in the uk.(had to use DM to find one... urgh)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606128/I...
I will look at rest later as Im off to xmas party...
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