The Brexit Christmas list.

[wst]

Du1point8 said:

2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.

That's covered under the Freedom of Movement. Check this out

"Persons exercising their right of residence should not, however, become an unreasonable
burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during an initial period of
residence. Therefore, the right of residence for Union citizens and their family members for
periods in excess of three months should be subject to conditions."

Etc, etc, etc.

The failure here lies with a certain country's own policy, not with the EU as a whole.

[Zod]

kayc said:

Zod said:

Its amazing how survived without the EU isn't it?

You clearly know nothing about history. You are talking about pre-1974. Britain was the "sick man of Europe".

[Zod]

Du1point8 said:

Zod said:

Du1point8 said:

1) EU laws are forced even if the country representatives disagree. Rubbish
2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc. So you wan free movement, but no access to benefits? Don't have an accident on holiday!
3) Not understanding this.
4) Personally if you commit a crime you lose your human rights, if an immigrant and doing it, you go home immediately... could not care if you suddenly found god/gay/got a new family/etc you are in the UK but are not a citizen, so behave or go home.Who ever got off a criminal charge by turning gay? Are you just trying to expose your homophobia here.
5) When they are neutral and not biased to EU then fine. (should be neutral full stop) Newsflash: the ECJ exists solely to interpret EU Law. It is neutral, as it showed this week, when it returned a verdict on the UK's ability to withdraw the Article 50 notification, in opposition to both the EU Commission and the British Government.
6) No brainer this is only still the case because the French threatened to block the EU budget. Their bluff should be called.
7) UK choice not EU Choice Nobody under 50 would agree. I'm 51 and I don't agree.
8) EU puts 100% tariff on Sugar cane so has killed off the UK sugar refinery industry, EU states UK sugar industry should use EU sugar beet first... There is not enough sugar beet in the EU to sustain the UK industry... but still the tariff... who does it benefit? Thats one example. Yes, one example, on which I am no expert. Through the EU, we have 36 FTAs. We lose them on exit day.
9) given they are to stay Nobody sane wants to get rid of any of these.
10) Dont care It's a pain, but that's because there was a free-for-all for far too long. Personal data use has to be regulated.

If I have an accident on holiday I have a think called insurance to cover me. I would expect everyone to do the same.

Yup I got a case of homophobia... criminals have used all those I mentioned to avoid deportation from the UK to claim its against their human rights... I could give a fk, if you are here but not a citizen and commit a crime then you are deported, if its to 'alleged certain death' then you should have thought about that before commiting a crime in the uk.

(had to use DM to find one... urgh)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606128/I...

I will look at rest later as Im off to xmas party...

Travel insurance does not cover everything.

What does the death penalty for gay people in a non-EU country have to do with the EU? No EU Member State has the death penalty.

I so rarely engage with the Leave crowd in here these days that I forget how desperately ill-informed they are.

[wc98]

Zod said:

kayc said:

Zod said:

Its amazing how survived without the EU isn't it?

You clearly know nothing about history. You are talking about pre-1974. Britain was the "sick man of Europe".

come on, it's not often you get stuff like that wrong. pre eu is not pre 74. the eu only came into being in 93. i do realise it was more than a twinkle in certain peoples eyes long, long before that.

[Puggit]

wc98 said:

come on, it's not often you get stuff like that wrong. pre eu is not pre 74. the eu only came into being in 93. i do realise it was more than a twinkle in certain peoples eyes long, long before that.

You mean after Major signed Maastricht without asking anyone?

[Zod]

wc98 said:

Zod said:

kayc said:

Zod said:

Its amazing how survived without the EU isn't it?

You clearly know nothing about history. You are talking about pre-1974. Britain was the "sick man of Europe".

come on, it's not often you get stuff like that wrong. pre eu is not pre 74. the eu only came into being in 93. i do realise it was more than a twinkle in certain peoples eyes long, long before that.

Sigh, yes, it was the EEC. I didn't think this was a piece of advice!

[Zod]

Puggit said:

wc98 said:

come on, it's not often you get stuff like that wrong. pre eu is not pre 74. the eu only came into being in 93. i do realise it was more than a twinkle in certain peoples eyes long, long before that.

You mean after Major signed Maastricht without asking anyone?

Whom should he have asked? Maggie would have signed it had she still been around, no matter what the revisionists would like to think.

[Puggit]

Zod said:

Whom should he have asked? Maggie would have signed it had she still been around, no matter what the revisionists would like to think.

Oooh, I don't know. Maybe the electorate?
Don't come back with 'it was in the manifesto'. It was in all manifestos so there was no power for the population to stop it.

[wc98]

Zod said:

Puggit said:

wc98 said:

come on, it's not often you get stuff like that wrong. pre eu is not pre 74. the eu only came into being in 93. i do realise it was more than a twinkle in certain peoples eyes long, long before that.

You mean after Major signed Maastricht without asking anyone?

Whom should he have asked? Maggie would have signed it had she still been around, no matter what the revisionists would like to think.

personally i think there should have been a referendum then. better chance of remain as well, mission creep hadn't become so evident back then.

[Zod]

Puggit said:

Zod said:

Whom should he have asked? Maggie would have signed it had she still been around, no matter what the revisionists would like to think.

Oooh, I don't know. Maybe the electorate?
Don't come back with 'it was in the manifesto'. It was in all manifestos so there was no power for the population to stop it.

You know that we have a representative democracy? We've only ever held four referenda nationwide.

[oyster]

kayc said:

wst said:

1) EU laws only get made with the approval of elected representatives, so elect better ones
2) Would you prefer a system that, say, lets people travel freely for up to 3 months with no visa (for tourism etc), then after that they have to go home OR be financially independent (and prove it)?
3)
4) Why not?
5) Bundle this one into 4 - why not?
6) Agreed. Daft and arcane. A bit like having a whacking great shiny stick in a building to represent the Queen's authority.
7)
8) Like the ones we have at the moment? And the WTO ones that we can only use because we're in the EU? We don't have the overheads of loads of negotiators at the moment...
9) Tough biscuits, those aren't going anywhere. Political suicide.
10) You'll still have to offer EU residents control of their data. Only difference is that (hooray!) non-EU businesses will no longer have to tell you how they sell your information. Thrilling.

TBH I cant be bothered to answer each one individually but the end result is that most of the EU regs/laws are anti-business and based around socialist policies that imo don't work..i don't like big govt and the EU is a great example of that..i like to draw peoples attention to the French stock market compared to the Dow over the last 20 years..sort of sums up how good EU policies are with France being the pinnacle of EU beliefs.The only way the Eu members can survive on the world stage is to club together with protectionist policies unfortunately.

The irony in calling the EU socialist whilst supporting the restriction on people movement which is about as basic socialism as it gets!

Being able to move somewhere to better the life of yourself and your family is fundamentally capitalist.

[thetrickcyclist]

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

[toppstuff]

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

[don'tbesilly]

toppstuff said:

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

Gotta love these gems of anecdotes.

Disrespect your own mother and suggest she's a xenophobe to make a point.

You Mum sounds quite bright TS, is she fluent in Somali, or was it broken english the Gent in question ranted in?

[kayc]

oyster said:

The irony in calling the EU socialist whilst supporting the restriction on people movement which is about as basic socialism as it gets!

Being able to move somewhere to better the life of yourself and your family is fundamentally capitalist.

Donald the socialist

[toppstuff]

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

Gotta love these gems of anecdotes.

Disrespect your own mother and suggest she's a xenophobe to make a point.

You Mum sounds quite bright TS, is she fluent in Somali, or was it broken english the Gent in question ranted in?

Some of this may be satirical.

[powerstroke]

A centre right political party ,which believes in small state ,personal responsibility , small business free enterprise etc
that isn't funded by big business and the banks ...

[don'tbesilly]

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

Gotta love these gems of anecdotes.

Disrespect your own mother and suggest she's a xenophobe to make a point.

You Mum sounds quite bright TS, is she fluent in Somali, or was it broken english the Gent in question ranted in?

Some of this may be satirical.

Of course now it is

I love my Mum, but she's an awful xenophobe

[toppstuff]

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

don'tbesilly said:

toppstuff said:

thetrickcyclist said:

Ghibli said:

What laws are you looking forward to making/changing.

He just answered your question; now, like this thread, you're just trolling along (as usual)

I don’t know about that. Brexit is so many different things to so many people. It’s interesting to know what different people want from it.

My dear old Mum voted leave because she hoped it would mean there would be fewer Somalians in her local hospital when she goes to her regular outpatients, after the husband of one of them ranted at her in foreign tongues for bumping into his wife in her mobility scooter.

Gotta love these gems of anecdotes.

Disrespect your own mother and suggest she's a xenophobe to make a point.

You Mum sounds quite bright TS, is she fluent in Somali, or was it broken english the Gent in question ranted in?

Some of this may be satirical.

Of course now it is

I love my Mum, but she's an awful xenophobe

Bless her. My mum was rather taken aback when she had a hip replacement and the surgeon turned out to be a blonde Latvian woman in her late 30’s with a heavy accent. Mum looked confused and I quite fancied the Latvian. It got awkward.

[mx5nut]

wst said:

Du1point8 said:

2) Dont mind movement, but not to be a burden on the country... demand benefits cause you fancy a move to france, etc.

That's covered under the Freedom of Movement. Check this out

"Persons exercising their right of residence should not, however, become an unreasonable
burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during an initial period of
residence. Therefore, the right of residence for Union citizens and their family members for
periods in excess of three months should be subject to conditions."

Etc, etc, etc.

The failure here lies with a certain country's own policy, not with the EU as a whole.

That sound complicated - can't we just blame Johnny Foreigner?