tube drivers on 100k+
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Frybywire said:
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This story is pure tosh. ALL TFL drivers are on £52.950 basic with minimum OT, but don’t let the facts get in way of kicking someone who you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you. Also, must people complaining about unions are the people getting f
ked over by their bosses because they don’t have a union.Pure Gammon bait and you all took it.
You're a natural!Frybywire said:
It is incredible in this age of multi-channel news delivery that the hard of thinking on here get their brine boiled, by the right wing, millionaire owned st rags, Mail/Express/Sun.
The owners dictate who the bogey man is you all spout it all as truth.
If it is not immigrants, Muslims, single mothers, junior doctors, teachers, the homeless – it’s the train drivers. People you have been told to get angry at.
This story is pure tosh. ALL TFL drivers are on £52.950 basic with minimum OT, but don’t let the facts get in way of kicking someone who you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you. Also, must people complaining about unions are the people getting fked over by their bosses because they don’t have a union.
Pure Gammon bait and you all took it.
Completely agree. t rags, Mail/Express/Sun.The owners dictate who the bogey man is you all spout it all as truth.
If it is not immigrants, Muslims, single mothers, junior doctors, teachers, the homeless – it’s the train drivers. People you have been told to get angry at.
This story is pure tosh. ALL TFL drivers are on £52.950 basic with minimum OT, but don’t let the facts get in way of kicking someone who you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you. Also, must people complaining about unions are the people getting f
ked over by their bosses because they don’t have a union.Pure Gammon bait and you all took it.
Fwiw I think most train drivers earn in the region of £45-£55k so I'm not sure if tube drivers are getting paid massively over the market rate. IMHO yes, being unionised and controlling the major part of London transport infrastructure does give them some advantages. And does knowing people who work for LU give applicants advantages? Probably. But lots of people have advantages for various different reasons, some might be seen as fair, others unfair.
That's life.
croyde said:
I met a BA pilot once who was leaving to join the tube. Told me it was via his cousin who had been a tube driver for years.
Do you actually know for definite that someone did this? BA have some of the best pay and conditions and staff travel around. Until recently all pilots still had final salary pensions. It’s very unlikely any BA pilot was voluntarily leaving BA to become a tube driver.
croyde said:
El stovey said:
daily mail said:
Pilots serving as first officers receive between £36,000 to £48,000, while captains on medium-sized airlines start on between £57,000 and £78,000. Salaries at major carriers can rise above £140,000, according to careers site Prospects.
In my airline which isn’t the best paid the salaries are well above those quoted. That's without pension and flight pay and private health and travel concessions etc. Then the tube driver salaries seem to be including all sorts of allowances.
I know nobody in my airline that has left to become a train driver except one ex steward.
Jobs are advertised to all but generally go to people within the organization like platform staff. Only fair I guess.
98elise said:
There is at least one member of PH who moved from pilot to train driver.
Yes but he didn’t work for a proper airline. Other ex pilots changing career in here have been made redundant or lost their license through medical problems etc.Saying someone is a pilot covers everything from being a flying instructor working for nothing to being a longhaul captain on over £200,000 a year with final salary pension flying 600 hours a year.
Frybywire said:
It is incredible in this age of multi-channel news delivery that the hard of thinking on here get their brine boiled, by the right wing, millionaire owned st rags, Mail/Express/Sun.
The owners dictate who the bogey man is you all spout it all as truth.
If it is not immigrants, Muslims, single mothers, junior doctors, teachers, the homeless – it’s the train drivers. People you have been told to get angry at.
This story is pure tosh. ALL TFL drivers are on £52.950 basic with minimum OT, but don’t let the facts get in way of kicking someone who you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you. Also, must people complaining about unions are the people getting fked over by their bosses because they don’t have a union.
Pure Gammon bait and you all took it.
Well that's us told then - a measly 52k basic. Poor dears, how will they survive?t rags, Mail/Express/Sun.The owners dictate who the bogey man is you all spout it all as truth.
If it is not immigrants, Muslims, single mothers, junior doctors, teachers, the homeless – it’s the train drivers. People you have been told to get angry at.
This story is pure tosh. ALL TFL drivers are on £52.950 basic with minimum OT, but don’t let the facts get in way of kicking someone who you perceive to be ‘beneath’ you. Also, must people complaining about unions are the people getting f
ked over by their bosses because they don’t have a union.Pure Gammon bait and you all took it.
Sooner it's fully automated the better
El stovey said:
98elise said:
There is at least one member of PH who moved from pilot to train driver.
Yes but he didn’t work for a proper airline. Other ex pilots changing career in here have been made redundant or lost their license through medical problems etc.Saying someone is a pilot covers everything from being a flying instructor working for nothing to being a longhaul captain on over £200,000 a year with final salary pension flying 600 hours a year.
Not arguing with you, I agree with your comments on the matter!
Edited by MrNoisy on Tuesday 18th December 12:25
irocfan said:
Well that's us told then - a measly 52k basic. Poor dears, how will they survive?
Sooner it's fully automated the better
Actually it’s 55k.Sooner it's fully automated the better
I’m sure tube drivers are not asking for charity and I’m sure that they think that their pay is something that should be private between the employee and the employer and not having erroneous and downright false figures published in the national press for the sole purpose of riling up people who seem to have some sort of issue with what others earn.
Oh and another thing, you’ll be waiting a long, long time before you’ll see any of the tube truly driverless. LULs priority is getting the network to GoA level2 (someone explained these levels earlier). The only plan to try and get one line capable of running to GoA3 (still have staff on board ala dlr)was the Piccadilly line upgrade and due to budget cuts the signalling program has been kicked into the long grass with no start date.
I think most on here will be long dead and buried before the bulk of the network can be considered truly driverless with no pesky staff to go strike and spoil their day.
TheRainMaker said:
nikaiyo2 said:
The sooner they go driverless the better.
I can’t believe it hasn’t already happened...If they strike over not getting what they deem sufficient pay rises or holiday allowances, imagine what they will do if they feel their jobs are threatened.
El stovey said:
Do you actually know for definite that someone did this?
BA have some of the best pay and conditions and staff travel around. Until recently all pilots still had final salary pensions. It’s very unlikely any BA pilot was voluntarily leaving BA to become a tube driver.
Absolutely true. BA have some of the best pay and conditions and staff travel around. Until recently all pilots still had final salary pensions. It’s very unlikely any BA pilot was voluntarily leaving BA to become a tube driver.
We were filming his kids for a Nickelodeon show at their house.
The dad walked in with his uniform on. Always having been interested in aircraft and flying, we got talking.
It surprised me that he was sick of the hours and pay, he was short haul, and that he was looking forward to being a tube driver. Less hours and better pay.
No point me making stuff up.
My brother works for TFL and can confirm the good wages as well as there being no point in me applying as almost every advertised job goes to someone already in the business.
Which, as I said before, is fair enough.
If you want to be a tube driver, apply to be platform staff and do a few years of dealing with the public face to face and then you might be in with a chance.
croyde said:
Absolutely true.
We were filming his kids for a Nickelodeon show at their house.
The dad walked in with his uniform on. Always having been interested in aircraft and flying, we got talking.
It surprised me that he was sick of the hours and pay, he was short haul, and that he was looking forward to being a tube driver. Less hours and better pay.
No point me making stuff up.
My brother works for TFL and can confirm the good wages as well as there being no point in me applying as almost every advertised job goes to someone already in the business.
Which, as I said before, is fair enough.
If you want to be a tube driver, apply to be platform staff and do a few years of dealing with the public face to face and then you might be in with a chance.
He actyworked for BA not one of the regional BA branded airlines? We were filming his kids for a Nickelodeon show at their house.
The dad walked in with his uniform on. Always having been interested in aircraft and flying, we got talking.
It surprised me that he was sick of the hours and pay, he was short haul, and that he was looking forward to being a tube driver. Less hours and better pay.
No point me making stuff up.
My brother works for TFL and can confirm the good wages as well as there being no point in me applying as almost every advertised job goes to someone already in the business.
Which, as I said before, is fair enough.
If you want to be a tube driver, apply to be platform staff and do a few years of dealing with the public face to face and then you might be in with a chance.
There’s simply no way his hours would be less and his salary better working for TFL if he worked for BA mainline.
Phil Dicky said:
If I lived and worked in London I'd want a damn site more than £55k per year to cover the extortionate living costs.
I probably average about £46k a year and having bought in London in 1998, it was fine, just! Crazy to say that really.But for the last 4 years I have had to rent a flat, pay my own bills as well as child maintenance, and boy is it a struggle.
I got ads on my FaceBook feed the other day suggesting I join RentoKill. I did look. £20k for a full grown man to drive and crawl in rat droppings.
The rent on the last one bedroom flat I had, was about £16k a year. Certainly nothing special but in the same London postcode as my kids.
El stovey said:
He actyworked for BA not one of the regional BA branded airlines?
There’s simply no way his hours would be less and his salary better working for TFL if he worked for BA mainline.
That I could not tell you. He did say as a tube driver he'd never do more than 4 hours a day but then I don't know what their working rules are.There’s simply no way his hours would be less and his salary better working for TFL if he worked for BA mainline.
As an aside my neighbours when I lived in Surrey were both BA long haul. Seeing the place they were renting and the cars they drove, I'm sure they were not on minimal wage.
Unfortunately he did his back in, flew A380 btw so I guess pretty experienced and he was my age or older, thus 56+, and was off work for nearly 6 months. I made a remark about I guess he'd be fine with BA and would be looked after, but he looked upset and said he only had a certain time to get better or he'd lose his job.
I was surprised by that.
Thankfully the surgery fixed his problem and he was back flying and soon to be rated to fly the B787.
croyde said:
Phil Dicky said:
If I lived and worked in London I'd want a damn site more than £55k per year to cover the extortionate living costs.
I probably average about £46k a year and having bought in London in 1998, it was fine, just! Crazy to say that really.But for the last 4 years I have had to rent a flat, pay my own bills as well as child maintenance, and boy is it a struggle.
I got ads on my FaceBook feed the other day suggesting I join RentoKill. I did look. £20k for a full grown man to drive and crawl in rat droppings.
The rent on the last one bedroom flat I had, was about £16k a year. Certainly nothing special but in the same London postcode as my kids.
turbobloke said:
HOGEPH said:
What price for the possibility that someone is going to jump in front of your train one day...
£100k+ apparently.Something like one a week, so more a question of when than if!
valiant said:
V8 Fettler said:
With a captive market, it's easier for LUL to jack-up fares than to cut costs.
Funny how the fares haven’t gone up since Khan became mayor due to the fare freeze and costs have been massively cut due to loss of central government grant among other things...Travelcards and caps to increase by 3% in two weeks time.
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