Gatwick closed by drones
Discussion
schmalex said:
There are many different options and that is certainly one that has been tested around the world.
I was at an event in Baghdad a couple of years ago where, amongst other things, there were all sorts of weird and wacky ways of denying UAS being demonstrated. There are all sorts of different methods of denial but each has various limitations.
For example, take the vehicle that carried the exploding payload into the Venezuelan PM’s speech zone.
If that had been jammed, it could have fallen into the crowd and done even greater damage
If it had been knocked out of the sky by birds of prey (actually quite a viable option), the same could have happened
You can’t really go round firing off rounds in public spaces and then, when it crashed, it would have still potentially exploded.
They are a pain to deal with.
Are things that binary in the UAS denying world that you can't have two or three UAS denying methods at ones disposal? "Sorry Bob, you can have either two of the drone nets or one of the bazooka net guns and that's it.....we pick one anti UAS denying platform and stick with it!!!" Anyway, I have a suspicion that the Venezuelan president isn't giving a speech off to the side of runway 08 right now so one would be pretty safe in using any number of UAS denying methods to shut this problem down yes?I was at an event in Baghdad a couple of years ago where, amongst other things, there were all sorts of weird and wacky ways of denying UAS being demonstrated. There are all sorts of different methods of denial but each has various limitations.
For example, take the vehicle that carried the exploding payload into the Venezuelan PM’s speech zone.
If that had been jammed, it could have fallen into the crowd and done even greater damage
If it had been knocked out of the sky by birds of prey (actually quite a viable option), the same could have happened
You can’t really go round firing off rounds in public spaces and then, when it crashed, it would have still potentially exploded.
They are a pain to deal with.
Edited by schmalex on Thursday 20th December 09:43
I can't believe the trouble this has caused, definitely not just a moron faffing about. I just hope this does not lead to a stupid knee jerk reaction that affects proper RC enthusiasts. Unless *dons tinfoil hat* the idea is to cause so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...
Still not sure why they can't just sniper it out of the sky?
Still not sure why they can't just sniper it out of the sky?
Wow still ongoing? It's amazing how unprepared they are for this sort of thing.
The BBC makes it sound like they're being run by such a group of muppets:
"Gatwick chief operating officer Chris Woodroofe said police had not wanted to shoot the devices down because of the risk from stray bullets."
If they're scared about bullets, why couldn't they have gone and bought their own drone 12 hours ago, and whilst they've diverted all the planes anyway just fly it into whatever is causing the problem?
Legislation is going to do nothing - the popularity of these devices now means that miscreants have understood the potential that they have. But you can't ban the technology now..... after all people have been building remote control aircraft in their garages, without the need for specialist equipment, for many decades now.
The BBC makes it sound like they're being run by such a group of muppets:
"Gatwick chief operating officer Chris Woodroofe said police had not wanted to shoot the devices down because of the risk from stray bullets."
If they're scared about bullets, why couldn't they have gone and bought their own drone 12 hours ago, and whilst they've diverted all the planes anyway just fly it into whatever is causing the problem?
Legislation is going to do nothing - the popularity of these devices now means that miscreants have understood the potential that they have. But you can't ban the technology now..... after all people have been building remote control aircraft in their garages, without the need for specialist equipment, for many decades now.
So who’s responsible?
-General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
-Russians
ETA Russians.
-General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
-Russians
ETA Russians.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 20th December 10:31
El stovey said:
So who’s responsible?
-General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
I'd go with either "General morons" or "Environmentalists" -General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
TurbosSuck said:
Still not sure why they can't just sniper it out of the sky?
1) Its a moving target in low light conditions (or rather dark earlier) and a very small object.2) Sniper rifles are high velocity, long range (up to miles)
3) The sniper would be shooting upwards
4) A high velocity, say 0.50 calibre bullet could reach a populated area (or damage something critical)
Like shooting guns out of people's hands, it's more for films.
Thankyou4calling said:
When the dust settles we will see what a massive over reaction this has been.
It’s the usual British disease, H and S regs, fear of being accused of negligence, compensation culture.
If it happened in many other countries it’d be done with in 30minutes.
I wouldn’t want to hit a drone on take off or landing. It’s the usual British disease, H and S regs, fear of being accused of negligence, compensation culture.
If it happened in many other countries it’d be done with in 30minutes.
Pretty hard to find someone flying the drone at night time,
How would other countries have handled this in 30 minutes?
El stovey said:
So who’s responsible?
-General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
I was reluctant to use the "J" word, but if the idea of "terrorism" is to cause disruption, they certainly did that.-General moron(s)
-Jihadist
-Environmentalists
-Brexiters/Remainers
-Dark forces looking to cause “so much disruption the government can push through anti-drone legislation...”
-Kids on sleep over gone wrong.
Vaud said:
TurbosSuck said:
Still not sure why they can't just sniper it out of the sky?
1) Its a moving target in low light conditions (or rather dark earlier) and a very small object.2) Sniper rifles are high velocity, long range (up to miles)
3) The sniper would be shooting upwards
4) A high velocity, say 0.50 calibre bullet could reach a populated area (or damage something critical)
Like shooting guns out of people's hands, it's more for films.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVUISS8oHs
(Warning, contains bad language)
rodericb said:
schmalex said:
There are many different options and that is certainly one that has been tested around the world.
I was at an event in Baghdad a couple of years ago where, amongst other things, there were all sorts of weird and wacky ways of denying UAS being demonstrated. There are all sorts of different methods of denial but each has various limitations.
For example, take the vehicle that carried the exploding payload into the Venezuelan PM’s speech zone.
If that had been jammed, it could have fallen into the crowd and done even greater damage
If it had been knocked out of the sky by birds of prey (actually quite a viable option), the same could have happened
You can’t really go round firing off rounds in public spaces and then, when it crashed, it would have still potentially exploded.
They are a pain to deal with.
Are things that binary in the UAS denying world that you can't have two or three UAS denying methods at ones disposal? "Sorry Bob, you can have either two of the drone nets or one of the bazooka net guns and that's it.....we pick one anti UAS denying platform and stick with it!!!" Anyway, I have a suspicion that the Venezuelan president isn't giving a speech off to the side of runway 08 right now so one would be pretty safe in using any number of UAS denying methods to shut this problem down yes?I was at an event in Baghdad a couple of years ago where, amongst other things, there were all sorts of weird and wacky ways of denying UAS being demonstrated. There are all sorts of different methods of denial but each has various limitations.
For example, take the vehicle that carried the exploding payload into the Venezuelan PM’s speech zone.
If that had been jammed, it could have fallen into the crowd and done even greater damage
If it had been knocked out of the sky by birds of prey (actually quite a viable option), the same could have happened
You can’t really go round firing off rounds in public spaces and then, when it crashed, it would have still potentially exploded.
They are a pain to deal with.
Edited by schmalex on Thursday 20th December 09:43
I can’t go into detail, but it’s not as simple or as cheap as shoot it down or knock it out of the sky
Just returning from Gatwick. Total Chao out there.
I have been trying to go home since Tuesday night.
I was booked on a ferry with my car late at night... car broke done on my way to the boat. Missed it.
Had to wait yesterday to see what was going on with the car so I couldn't book anything. Booked a flight late afternoon yesterday for today, and now it is cancel....
)
Can't wait to see what's next!!!
I have been trying to go home since Tuesday night.
I was booked on a ferry with my car late at night... car broke done on my way to the boat. Missed it.
Had to wait yesterday to see what was going on with the car so I couldn't book anything. Booked a flight late afternoon yesterday for today, and now it is cancel....
)Can't wait to see what's next!!!
eharding said:
Quite. There's only one way to ensure a high probability of shooting these things down, although I can imagine much twitching of curtains from homes in the vicinity when they install these little beauties at Gatwick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVUISS8oHs
(Warning, contains bad language)
Ha ! I was going to suggest a CIWS in jest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVUISS8oHs
(Warning, contains bad language)
CthulhuTheGreat said:
Gatwick COO saying this is still flying around and is a "large drone"
This looks very much like a planned disruption rather and some moron pillocking around.
Lots of ground activity on FlightRadar24 , looks like they are chasing around the field searching.
https://www.flightradar24.com/51.15,-0.19/14
Could the droners be using FlightRadar24 to avoid the ground searchers? This looks very much like a planned disruption rather and some moron pillocking around.
Lots of ground activity on FlightRadar24 , looks like they are chasing around the field searching.
https://www.flightradar24.com/51.15,-0.19/14
Edited by CthulhuTheGreat on Thursday 20th December 07:52
Edited by CthulhuTheGreat on Thursday 20th December 07:58
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