Poor MPs being bullied outside parliament

[turbobloke]

Mr2Mike said:

Cold said:

SHutchinson said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

The only time I've thought these protests are out of order is when they go to the MPs homes.

What about when they stab and kill them outside their constituency office?

If they start doing that they should probably step down as an MP.

[turbobloke]

chrispmartha said:

"The campaigners from the group called Ukip – Beyond Diversity, gathered in fancy dress and included migrants, HIV activists, gay people, disabled people and breastfeeding mothers"

Cute.

Presumably those breastfeeding mothers and disabled individuals in the mob weren't scaring Farage's kids witless or jumping on his car outside the pub. That's decent of them, they ought to have had a word with the rest.

[Gameface]

MP's getting upset about shouting and boorish behaviour?

Have they not watched themselves during a commons debate or Prime Minister's questions??

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

Soubrey is no innocent either and is a very opinionated, divisive, person as is Farage also..........however there is a thin line between abuse and protesting / freedom of speech so whatever rules are applied should be applied equally to all and not just people who you and I don't like or agree with their views....................Family members being harassed is a 100% no no regardless!

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with views. Farage wouldn't have the profile he 'enjoys' without his knack for the controversial. He is not an elected MP. Soubrey (who's views I imagine you disagree with) is an elected MP and has been honest about her personal views on Brexit and what she believes it means for the country. With the vote split 52/48 it's hardly surprising that alternative views to the 'Will of the People' will be expressed.

[Russian Troll Bot]

chrispmartha said:

There's a difference in the protesters aswell - did they call Nigel garage a Nazi? Now don't get me wrong I don't think any MPs should be the target of abuse but did you see the protesters outside the pub Nigel Farage was in?

I will add if his children were scared and of they did damage his car then it is way out of order.

"The campaigners from the group called Ukip – Beyond Diversity, gathered in fancy dress and included migrants, HIV activists, gay people, disabled people and breastfeeding mothers"

Perhaps not quite as good natured from this angle

[alfie2244]

Andymak's post on the negotiation thread has nailed it for me.....................I would copy and post it on this thread but I am banned from that thread for agreeing when one of our fellow PH'rs (that only posts on Brexit related threads) was call a Q...ing.

[Boydie88]

BlackLabel said:

Shouting nasty things at people may not be very nice for the person in question but what exactly are John Bercow and the MPs expecting the police to do? What crime is being committed?

Wouldn't be surprised if they end up arrested under the same superfluous charge as the group that burned the Grenfell effigy in their back garden.

This is what happens when using Nazi as an insult has been falsely flung around for years now. The word has lost nearly all gravitas.

Apparently it's more of a crime these days to joke about Nazis than it is to falsely smear someone as one though, so perhaps there is hope for these chaps.

[oyster]

turbobloke said:

Melchett1905 said:

Amateurish said:

Melchett1905 said:

Remember Farage being barricaded in a pub by left wing protesters? I don't recall this must outrage.....

Doesn't sound so bad

True. Can think of worse places!

The place is beside the point. Was he not with his family? As an outspoken politician Farage is fair game for a bit of full frontal bantercourse - family members not so. They were all subjected to the 'protest' and were chased out of the pub, including Farage's two younger children, at which point Farage's car was jumped on (criminal damage). I wasn't there to see it happen so if this account is inaccurate blame reporting in The Guardian.

I live not far from where it happened. The police turned up and were very heavy handed with the protesters (rightly so).

Yesterday, despite being opposite the Palace of Westminster with hundreds of Met around, they just let the harrassment continue. I don't like Anna Soubry at all, but to call anyone a Nazi is shameful and most likely illegal.

Anyone who thinks it ok to use such language plainly is too thick to even know what the word constitutes.

[irocfan]

AIUI the Nazi thing is a sideshow - these animals were advocating she should be sexually assaulted

[996owner]

Aww the poor MPs want more protection... tuff let them fend for themselves.
We the public have been asking for more Police on the streets to protect our children from grooming gangs, we need more protection from knife crime and other crime in general, apparently there is no budget.

MP's have made their bed now lie in it.

[coldel]

I think we need to set aside our own views of politicans, or Soubry herself. Would you accept someone coming up to you as you go about your business and verbally abusing you? If it was repeated and vile/offensive? Freedom of speech is not the same as being free to say whatever you like and there are laws around it. The 'verbal abuse' of MPs can be done effectively without personal insults i.e. opposing their point of view, its the personally vile stuff which can turn into jostling and physical confrontation which needs to be addressed (which is called out specifically in the complaint) that needs addressing in my view.

[superlightr]

oyster said:

I live not far from where it happened. The police turned up and were very heavy handed with the protesters (rightly so).

Yesterday, despite being opposite the Palace of Westminster with hundreds of Met around, they just let the harrassment continue. I don't like Anna Soubry at all, but to call anyone a Nazi is shameful and most likely illegal.

Anyone who thinks it ok to use such language plainly is too thick to even know what the word constitutes.

Harassment ??? They were being loud and shouty - non violent protesting even.

is there a list of words on your proposed banned list of name calling ?

how about if they quietly whispered or held a placard?


Clearly there are public order offences but as you mentioned the hundreds of Met police did not think it passed that threshold.

[Amateurish]

turbobloke said:

Melchett1905 said:

Amateurish said:

Melchett1905 said:

Remember Farage being barricaded in a pub by left wing protesters? I don't recall this must outrage.....

Doesn't sound so bad

True. Can think of worse places!

The place is beside the point. Was he not with his family? As an outspoken politician Farage is fair game for a bit of full frontal bantercourse - family members not so. They were all subjected to the 'protest' and were chased out of the pub, including Farage's two younger children, at which point Farage's car was jumped on (criminal damage). I wasn't there to see it happen so if this account is inaccurate blame reporting in The Guardian.

Wasn't it when he was campaigning in Scotland during the independence referendum? The police were involved in that one.

[Amateurish]

coldel said:

I think we need to set aside our own views of politicans, or Soubry herself. Would you accept someone coming up to you as you go about your business and verbally abusing you? If it was repeated and vile/offensive? Freedom of speech is not the same as being free to say whatever you like and there are laws around it. The 'verbal abuse' of MPs can be done effectively without personal insults i.e. opposing their point of view, its the personally vile stuff which can turn into jostling and physical confrontation which needs to be addressed (which is called out specifically in the complaint) that needs addressing in my view.

It's not acceptable for someone to call me a , but I'm not calling the police if they do.

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

Soubrey is no innocent either and is a very opinionated, divisive, person as is Farage also..........however there is a thin line between abuse and protesting / freedom of speech so whatever rules are applied should be applied equally to all and not just people who you and I don't like or agree with their views....................Family members being harassed is a 100% no no regardless!

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with views. Farage wouldn't have the profile he 'enjoys' without his knack for the controversial. He is not an elected MP. Soubrey (who's views I imagine you disagree with) is an elected MP and has been honest about her personal views on Brexit and what she believes it means for the country. With the vote split 52/48 it's hardly surprising that alternative views to the 'Will of the People' will be expressed.

He is, for now at least, an elected MEP.......if you are now saying MEP's don't matter in this country so it's OK to give them less respect than the likes of Soubrey et al as they have no real standing then I think you have just made a very good case for Leaving the EU........... which thankfully we are.

May I suggest you look back at some of Soubrey's behavior, demeanor in Parliament or on TV when others are speaking and saying things she doesn't agree with.....she is no shrinking violet that's for sure.............that said abuse, physical intimidation of her is a step too far, as is also the case of others in the past.

[TTwiggy]

irocfan said:

AIUI the Nazi thing is a sideshow - these animals were advocating she should be sexually assaulted

Indeed - which often seems to be the standard 'go to' whenever the object of ire is female. It's a sad indictment of the mindset of some people.

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

irocfan said:

AIUI the Nazi thing is a sideshow - these animals were advocating she should be sexually assaulted

Indeed - which often seems to be the standard 'go to' whenever the object of ire is female. It's a sad indictment of the mindset of some people.

And not acceptable whatsoever if correct and I would have thought illegal.

[coldel]

Amateurish said:

coldel said:

I think we need to set aside our own views of politicans, or Soubry herself. Would you accept someone coming up to you as you go about your business and verbally abusing you? If it was repeated and vile/offensive? Freedom of speech is not the same as being free to say whatever you like and there are laws around it. The 'verbal abuse' of MPs can be done effectively without personal insults i.e. opposing their point of view, its the personally vile stuff which can turn into jostling and physical confrontation which needs to be addressed (which is called out specifically in the complaint) that needs addressing in my view.

It's not acceptable for someone to call me a , but I'm not calling the police if they do.

If you were repeatedly stalked by an aggressive mob of people calling you a nazi and verbally abusing you outside your place of work, would you not expect the police to be involved then?

I think most politicians accept they are targets for protests, a group of people in society will always oppose a point of view. But I think the police at the scene need to be better trained to know when lines of protest that are acceptable have been crossed and know when to step in and remove the people instigating it.

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

TTwiggy said:

irocfan said:

AIUI the Nazi thing is a sideshow - these animals were advocating she should be sexually assaulted

Indeed - which often seems to be the standard 'go to' whenever the object of ire is female. It's a sad indictment of the mindset of some people.

And not acceptable whatsoever if correct and I would have thought illegal.

This sort of threat is generally made online, and if you do a bit of googling you'll see that several female MPs have been subjected to it. I imagine many of them have become inured to it, but when you're suddenly confronted by people in the manner we are discussing here, I would think it brings it all back rather starkly.

[markcoznottz]

I'm more offended by soubrey being a minister for business, a bloody newsreader for christs sake.