The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

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Kermit power

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24,111 posts

158 months

Friday 11th January
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Afternoon all,

First and foremost, please could people try to not turn this into just another actual Brexit thread?

On one of those other Brexit threads recently, someone posted up the YouGov survey findings below.....



This got me thinking about the typical PH - or at least NP&E - demographic.

If the findings are even remotely accurate, then even if every single member of PH was a Septuagenarian Tory thicko who never made it past CSEs, you'd expect probably 25-30% of contributors to Brexit threads to be Remain voters, yet this isn't the case!

Firstly, not every single PHer is a Septuagenarian Tory thicko. Overwhelmingly right of centre certainly, but far from uniformly old or stupid. There are plenty of people on here in their forties and younger with degree or higher levels of education.

This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Equally importantly, is anyone able to discuss that without actually arguing about Brexit itself? smile

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

103 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be?
Those who lost feel greater need to air their views than those that won.

Lotobear

1,476 posts

73 months

Friday 11th January
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Is this a wind up, OP?

chrispmartha

5,228 posts

74 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
Afternoon all,

First and foremost, please could people try to not turn this into just another actual Brexit thread?

On one of those other Brexit threads recently, someone posted up the YouGov survey findings below.....



This got me thinking about the typical PH - or at least NP&E - demographic.

If the findings are even remotely accurate, then even if every single member of PH was a Septuagenarian Tory thicko who never made it past CSEs, you'd expect probably 25-30% of contributors to Brexit threads to be Remain voters, yet this isn't the case!

Firstly, not every single PHer is a Septuagenarian Tory thicko. Overwhelmingly right of centre certainly, but far from uniformly old or stupid. There are plenty of people on here in their forties and younger with degree or higher levels of education.

This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Equally importantly, is anyone able to discuss that without actually arguing about Brexit itself? smile
I would think its just down to the fact that people that want ‘change’ or are rallying against something are often more vocal than people that don’t or aren’t fussed either way.

Just look at any forums on any subject it’s usually people that are complaining about something that are the most vocal, people generally don’t post on forums saying things like ‘everything is going OK or I’m not fussed either way’

j_4m

1,574 posts

9 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Equally importantly, is anyone able to discuss that without actually arguing about Brexit itself? smile
Most people outside of major cities, especially London, voted leave. This being the internet I'd imagine PH has quite a broad geographic spread, if not a suburban/rural bias due to the common interest of cars.

Seventy

1,967 posts

83 months

Friday 11th January
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Empty vessels make the most noise.....

LimaDelta

3,960 posts

163 months

Friday 11th January
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What is more astonishing is that 5% of UKIP voters wanted to stay, and 32% of LibDem voters wanted to leave!

oyster

9,269 posts

193 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
Afternoon all,

First and foremost, please could people try to not turn this into just another actual Brexit thread?

On one of those other Brexit threads recently, someone posted up the YouGov survey findings below.....



This got me thinking about the typical PH - or at least NP&E - demographic.

If the findings are even remotely accurate, then even if every single member of PH was a Septuagenarian Tory thicko who never made it past CSEs, you'd expect probably 25-30% of contributors to Brexit threads to be Remain voters, yet this isn't the case!

Firstly, not every single PHer is a Septuagenarian Tory thicko. Overwhelmingly right of centre certainly, but far from uniformly old or stupid. There are plenty of people on here in their forties and younger with degree or higher levels of education.

This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Equally importantly, is anyone able to discuss that without actually arguing about Brexit itself? smile
1. Your first line is completely inaccurate, even as a guess. The poll results you displayed would indicate that the proportion of Leave voters in the categories you mention, 70ish, Tory-voting and GCSE-limited education are respectively 64%, 61% and 70%. Unless there is some incredulous correlation between these, I would expect that the subset of people who belong to all 3 grouls to be a LOT smaller than 25-30%. More like 5%.

2. Anyhow that aside, and back to PH demographics. One poll effect you've left out is living style. PH on the whole is non-metropolitan, which is obvious since it's a car site. Non-metropolitan residents voted far more in favour of Leave than metropolitan voters. I suspect this is the biggest demographic factor on PH.

Flumpo

934 posts

18 months

Friday 11th January
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I have serious doubts over the quality and accuracy of the data.

If this shows most leave voters were ‘Tory thickos’ with a low level of education. Then surely the average Tory voter would be your average working class gcse only person.

Unless I’ve got it wrong, I’m not sure that’s the average Tory demographic?

I find it interesting that the only real high remain vote came from the 18-24. It would be interesting to know how many people actually voted in that section. It would seem it’s maybe a surprising small number. But when isolated like this makes it look far more significant.


wc98

9,251 posts

85 months

Friday 11th January
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oyster said:
2. Anyhow that aside, and back to PH demographics. One poll effect you've left out is living style. PH on the whole is non-metropolitan, which is obvious since it's a car site. Non-metropolitan residents voted far more in favour of Leave than metropolitan voters. I suspect this is the biggest demographic factor on PH.
the above along with what they do for a living. would be interesting to see the public sector ,and those that derive income from it ,vs the private sector split in commentators from both sides.

Kermit power

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24,111 posts

158 months

Friday 11th January
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Rovinghawk said:
Kermit power said:
the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be?
Those who lost feel greater need to air their views than those that won.
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?

rdjohn

3,644 posts

140 months

Friday 11th January
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It was very interesting to watch the debate last night on C4 News.

They had gathered together a group of 18-20 year olds who were unable to vote in the referendum.

They stunned left winger Jon Snow and soft right-wing me in their views which could be summarised as follows -
No second vote
Parliament should accept the May deal - warts and all
Corbyn is playing silly games
They just need to get on with it.

They accepted Cameron’s point that it was a once in a generation vote. I don’t know just how representative of the whole age group they were - they seemed to be eloquent in higher education, rather than minimum wage - bouncing along on the bottom.

chrispmartha

5,228 posts

74 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
Rovinghawk said:
Kermit power said:
the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be?
Those who lost feel greater need to air their views than those that won.
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
Purely down to the typical demographic of people that post on here as aluded to.

Im a member of 3 other forums (Rugby and Comedy) which are the total opposite if you read threads on Brexit, they are id say 90% + post from remainers.

People tend to forget that whatever forum they are on really aren’t representative of the ‘real world’ as tgey will always have certain demographics posting on them

Derek Smith

34,055 posts

193 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
Afternoon all,

First and foremost, please could people try to not turn this into just another actual Brexit thread?

On one of those other Brexit threads recently, someone posted up the YouGov survey findings below.....

This got me thinking about the typical PH - or at least NP&E - demographic.

If the findings are even remotely accurate, then even if every single member of PH was a Septuagenarian Tory thicko who never made it past CSEs, you'd expect probably 25-30% of contributors to Brexit threads to be Remain voters, yet this isn't the case!

Firstly, not every single PHer is a Septuagenarian Tory thicko. Overwhelmingly right of centre certainly, but far from uniformly old or stupid. There are plenty of people on here in their forties and younger with degree or higher levels of education.

This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Equally importantly, is anyone able to discuss that without actually arguing about Brexit itself? smile
You suggest there are more leavers than remainers on PH. I assume you base this assumption on the various threads on PH. It would appear that these are populated by leavers and a cursory flick through the most recent posts tend to support that assumption. Let's run with that, but I'll come back to it.

Those on PH are already filtered to a significant extent. If one went on, for instance, the Brake website you would see the views of a demographic that differs to an extent from that of PH.

The statistics you quoted are something of a broad brush. I voted leave. I've a decent education but I'm in my 70s. I run a small business, getting smaller every day, but have no party political affiliations.

Where would that put me on the list?

Regarding posts on the threads; brexit is something that concerns me. I think the importance of the decision has been underrated. It will be talked about for years to come and there will be courses on brexit studies at universities. Important historians, as well as those who know what they are talking about, will publish books on the subject which I will either buy or pester my library to get. It is something that I think could alter the UK's position in the world and have a significant effect on my standard of living, and that of my kids and grandkids. Yet I contribute irregularly to such threads, certainly not to the extent I normally do on matters that concern me, as there seems to be little discussion.

Perhaps there are other leavers like me on PH.


Flumpo

934 posts

18 months

Friday 11th January
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LimaDelta said:
What is more astonishing is that 5% of UKIP voters wanted to stay, and 32% of LibDem voters wanted to leave!
I would love to see an interview with one of the 5%.

PositronicRay

16,236 posts

128 months

Friday 11th January
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LimaDelta said:
What is more astonishing is that 5% of UKIP voters wanted to stay, and 32% of LibDem voters wanted to leave!
Confused I'm guessing.

Kermit power

Original Poster:

24,111 posts

158 months

Friday 11th January
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oyster said:
1. Your first line is completely inaccurate, even as a guess. The poll results you displayed would indicate that the proportion of Leave voters in the categories you mention, 70ish, Tory-voting and GCSE-limited education are respectively 64%, 61% and 70%. Unless there is some incredulous correlation between these, I would expect that the subset of people who belong to all 3 grouls to be a LOT smaller than 25-30%. More like 5%.
You're agreeing with me, although I'll admit I maybe could've worded the original post better!

I was suggesting that even if the PH population hit all three of those groups, then at least 20% or so of contributors should still have voted remain. Obviously not all PHers hit even two of those categories, and some don't even vote Tory, so there should, statistically speaking, be far more than just 20% of contributors favouring Remain.

oyster said:
2. Anyhow that aside, and back to PH demographics. One poll effect you've left out is living style. PH on the whole is non-metropolitan, which is obvious since it's a car site. Non-metropolitan residents voted far more in favour of Leave than metropolitan voters. I suspect this is the biggest demographic factor on PH.
I would've thought almost the complete opposite, so I've started a poll to try and find out! It'll be interesting to see what the results look like. smile

alfie2244

11,292 posts

133 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.

chrispmartha

5,228 posts

74 months

Friday 11th January
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alfie2244 said:
Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.
I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, look at the polls on NP&E there is definitely a leave ‘bias’ on here.

For example the UKIP poll on the GE totally out of step with the public in general

Kermit power

Original Poster:

24,111 posts

158 months

Friday 11th January
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alfie2244 said:
Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.
If you go and look at the majority of the Brexit threads on here, I think you'll see that whilst there are quite a large volume of posts favouring Remain, these actually come from a very small number of individual contributors, whereas there are far more actual people posting in favour of Leave, but with fewer posts each.

In most respects, much of the demographic on here has always struck me as being very similar to my own and my peers in the real world - middle class, reasonably well off financially, relatively right wing and even, in many cases, working in IT. hehe

Of my real world peers in that demographic. I only know two people out of maybe a few dozen who voted Leave, which is why I'm so surprised that it seems so different on here.