The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

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Digga

25,608 posts

220 months

Friday 11th January
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It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

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PositronicRay

13,569 posts

120 months

Friday 11th January
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Digga said:
It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

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I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

alfie2244

8,627 posts

125 months

Friday 11th January
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chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.
I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, look at the polls on NP&E there is definitely a leave ‘bias’ on here.

For example the UKIP poll on the GE totally out of step with the public in general
You may be right but to me it seems contribution (i.e. actual posts) from Remainers seem to outnumber those of Leavers. So perhaps there are a lot of "shy" members that that vote in polls but don't bother in making posts. wink

I live in Bath (c60% Remain IIRC + Libdum MP)......a (LD) lady knocked on my door last week with " 2nd referendum bumf" did I tell her what I really think? No I told her I had no real interest in politics and thanked her for her recyclable paper because I couldn't see the point of engaging her wink

Digga

25,608 posts

220 months

Friday 11th January
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PositronicRay said:
Digga said:
It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:
I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53
There has been, in recent years, a (welcome) resurgence in the numbers of apprenticeship schemes offered by the education system. I know this, because we've now had 3 apprentices through our engineering works. All such students will be qualified to some level of NVQ standard. The highest level for an NVQ is Level 5. However, students who complete an NVQ at Level 3 can then go on to study for a higher qualification such as a Foundation Degree, HND or HNC.

Jim on the hill

3,577 posts

127 months

Friday 11th January
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Digga said:
PositronicRay said:
Digga said:
It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:
I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53
There has been, in recent years, a (welcome) resurgence in the numbers of apprenticeship schemes offered by the education system. I know this, because we've now had 3 apprentices through our engineering works. All such students will be qualified to some level of NVQ standard. The highest level for an NVQ is Level 5. However, students who complete an NVQ at Level 3 can then go on to study for a higher qualification such as a Foundation Degree, HND or HNC.
I'm believe the below degree level could include industry specific qualifications which could be apprenticeships or institutes such as CII, CILEC or AAT
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HustleRussell

15,552 posts

97 months

Friday 11th January
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I have my views but I don't participate in N,P&E much if at all. Why? After the event, why continue to argue the toss. A referendum was held, a result was declared, a second referendum appears undemocratic. I am numb to it now.

Rovinghawk

12,915 posts

95 months

Friday 11th January
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Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
My apologies- I misread your question. In that case I have no answer.

chrispmartha

3,666 posts

66 months

Friday 11th January
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alfie2244 said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
Kermit power said:
So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?
I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.
I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, look at the polls on NP&E there is definitely a leave ‘bias’ on here.

For example the UKIP poll on the GE totally out of step with the public in general
You may be right but to me it seems contribution (i.e. actual posts) from Remainers seem to outnumber those of Leavers. So perhaps there are a lot of "shy" members that that vote in polls but don't bother in making posts. wink

I live in Bath (c60% Remain IIRC + Libdum MP)......a (LD) lady knocked on my door last week with " 2nd referendum bumf" did I tell her what I really think? No I told her I had no real interest in politics and thanked her for her recyclable paper because I couldn't see the point of engaging her wink
The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

alfie2244

8,627 posts

125 months

Friday 11th January
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chrispmartha said:
The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’
hehe

Digga

25,608 posts

220 months

Friday 11th January
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chrispmartha said:
The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’
Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.

Isaac Hunt

9,239 posts

148 months

Friday 11th January
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Flumpo said:
I have serious doubts over the quality and accuracy of the data.
This, 1000 time this.

How many polls pre election were saying a win for leave? I don't remember one.

I would guess that the data, like most polls is a small selection of the voters. Sometimes they are as little as 1000 people. The margins for error are huge.

ETA just noticed the date 2015. The Brexit vote was 2016.

Edited by Isaac Hunt on Friday 11th January 16:53

HustleRussell

15,552 posts

97 months

Friday 11th January
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Digga said:
chrispmartha said:
The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’
Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.
U OK Hun?

98elise

13,480 posts

98 months

Friday 11th January
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PositronicRay said:
Digga said:
It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:
I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53
Agreed. I did reasonably well at school, but left to do my HNV as part of my apprenticeship (so academically less than a degree).

I've ended up in IT and have a string of professional qualifications/exams, which would be typical for someone of my age who has followed a similar career path.

My father was a chartered engineer and didn't have a degree.

Remainers simply dismiss us as old thickos, but its just the way the world worked for our age group.

Camoradi

2,770 posts

193 months

Friday 11th January
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Exactly .....

Education does not equal intelligence. Any fool knows that wink




Isaac Hunt

9,239 posts

148 months

Friday 11th January
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Camoradi said:
Exactly .....

Education does not equal intelligence. Any fool knows that wink
Indeed. My nephew has an MA in Mathematics. He has no common sense or spacial awareness.

Additionally these days Universities seem to have a strong leaning to the left. No doubt that is permutated down to the students. The left tend to be more Rick adverse and potentially will favour remain.

HustleRussell

15,552 posts

97 months

Friday 11th January
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Isaac Hunt said:
Indeed. My nephew has an MA in Mathematics. He has no common sense or spacial awareness.

Additionally these days Universities seem to have a strong leaning to the left. No doubt that is permutated down to the students. The left tend to be more Rick adverse and potentially will favour remain.
hehe what?

Allanv

2,754 posts

123 months

Friday 11th January
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98elise said:
PositronicRay said:
Digga said:
It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:
I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53
Agreed. I did reasonably well at school, but left to do my HNV as part of my apprenticeship (so academically less than a degree).

I've ended up in IT and have a string of professional qualifications/exams, which would be typical for someone of my age who has followed a similar career path.

My father was a chartered engineer and didn't have a degree.

Remainers simply dismiss us as old thickos, but its just the way the world worked for our age group.
Very true but I am in a similar field, same professional and some higher qualifications and I am 50 So should die soon to the delight of remainers.

But Sunday I am flying off to work for a new contract and will do for the next however long.


Edited by Allanv on Friday 11th January 17:32

chrispmartha

3,666 posts

66 months

Friday 11th January
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Digga said:
chrispmartha said:
The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’
Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.
Oh give over!

There’s nasty streaks on both sides, this whole palaver has brought the worst out of this country IMO

Mark83

366 posts

138 months

Friday 11th January
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Isaac Hunt said:
The left tend to be more Rick adverse and potentially will favour remain.
I'm university educated, slightly left leaning, remain voting but not adverse to a bit of Astley.

I don't post much in here. I'm sure there are plenty like me.

Edited by Mark83 on Friday 11th January 17:38

s2art

16,806 posts

190 months

Friday 11th January
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Not mentioned so far (unless I missed it) is the contributors to PH seem overwhelmingly male. Was there a difference in voting patterns between men and women?