The PH Demographic as shown in Brexit threads

[Digga]

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

[PositronicRay]

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

[alfie2244]

chrispmartha said:

alfie2244 said:

Kermit power said:

So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?

I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.

I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, look at the polls on NP&E there is definitely a leave ‘bias’ on here.

For example the UKIP poll on the GE totally out of step with the public in general

You may be right but to me it seems contribution (i.e. actual posts) from Remainers seem to outnumber those of Leavers. So perhaps there are a lot of "shy" members that that vote in polls but don't bother in making posts.

I live in Bath (c60% Remain IIRC + Libdum MP)......a (LD) lady knocked on my door last week with " 2nd referendum bumf" did I tell her what I really think? No I told her I had no real interest in politics and thanked her for her recyclable paper because I couldn't see the point of engaging her

[Digga]

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

There has been, in recent years, a (welcome) resurgence in the numbers of apprenticeship schemes offered by the education system. I know this, because we've now had 3 apprentices through our engineering works. All such students will be qualified to some level of NVQ standard. The highest level for an NVQ is Level 5. However, students who complete an NVQ at Level 3 can then go on to study for a higher qualification such as a Foundation Degree, HND or HNC.

[Jim on the hill]

Digga said:

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

There has been, in recent years, a (welcome) resurgence in the numbers of apprenticeship schemes offered by the education system. I know this, because we've now had 3 apprentices through our engineering works. All such students will be qualified to some level of NVQ standard. The highest level for an NVQ is Level 5. However, students who complete an NVQ at Level 3 can then go on to study for a higher qualification such as a Foundation Degree, HND or HNC.

I'm believe the below degree level could include industry specific qualifications which could be apprenticeships or institutes such as CII, CILEC or AAT

[HustleRussell]

I have my views but I don't participate in N,P&E much if at all. Why? After the event, why continue to argue the toss. A referendum was held, a result was declared, a second referendum appears undemocratic. I am numb to it now.

[Rovinghawk]

Kermit power said:

So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?

My apologies- I misread your question. In that case I have no answer.

[chrispmartha]

alfie2244 said:

chrispmartha said:

alfie2244 said:

Kermit power said:

So why is it that 95% or more of the contributors seem to be Leave voters, who won?

I would suggest it is because you are seeing what you want to see.......ironically it seems the complete opposite to me.

I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, look at the polls on NP&E there is definitely a leave ‘bias’ on here.

For example the UKIP poll on the GE totally out of step with the public in general

You may be right but to me it seems contribution (i.e. actual posts) from Remainers seem to outnumber those of Leavers. So perhaps there are a lot of "shy" members that that vote in polls but don't bother in making posts.

I live in Bath (c60% Remain IIRC + Libdum MP)......a (LD) lady knocked on my door last week with " 2nd referendum bumf" did I tell her what I really think? No I told her I had no real interest in politics and thanked her for her recyclable paper because I couldn't see the point of engaging her

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

[alfie2244]

chrispmartha said:

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

[Digga]

chrispmartha said:

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.

[HustleRussell]

Digga said:

chrispmartha said:

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.

U OK Hun?

[98elise]

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

Agreed. I did reasonably well at school, but left to do my HNV as part of my apprenticeship (so academically less than a degree).

I've ended up in IT and have a string of professional qualifications/exams, which would be typical for someone of my age who has followed a similar career path.

My father was a chartered engineer and didn't have a degree.

Remainers simply dismiss us as old thickos, but its just the way the world worked for our age group.

[Camoradi]

Exactly .....

Education does not equal intelligence. Any fool knows that

[HustleRussell]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

what?

[Allanv]

98elise said:

PositronicRay said:

Digga said:

It's quite interesting that the educational level below degree is so evenly split. I'd assume (correct me if I am wrong) that the majority of such qualifications would likely be far more vocational than that of the degrees in the next band up. Shows a voting split that's the same as the actual referendum result.

Quoted for reference:

I think the education stat is linked to the age thing. Many more students go onto university now than in days of yore.

Edited by PositronicRay on Friday 11th January 14:53

Agreed. I did reasonably well at school, but left to do my HNV as part of my apprenticeship (so academically less than a degree).

I've ended up in IT and have a string of professional qualifications/exams, which would be typical for someone of my age who has followed a similar career path.

My father was a chartered engineer and didn't have a degree.

Remainers simply dismiss us as old thickos, but its just the way the world worked for our age group.

Very true but I am in a similar field, same professional and some higher qualifications and I am 50 So should die soon to the delight of remainers.

But Sunday I am flying off to work for a new contract and will do for the next however long.

Edited by Allanv on Friday 11th January 17:32

[chrispmartha]

Digga said:

chrispmartha said:

The remainers you soeak of may post more often but there are far fewer of them, that’s probably why it may seem like there’s more ‘remainers’. One thing you cannot say about the brexiteers on here is that they are ‘shy’

Unfortunately, we all know why pro-Brexit voters are all too often reluctant to voice their actual opinions; there is a nasty streak out there who would shut down democratic debate with unpleasant, if not actually illegal actions and attitudes. This is, in no small part, why the result of the referendum was such a shock.

Oh give over!

There’s nasty streaks on both sides, this whole palaver has brought the worst out of this country IMO

[Mark83]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'm university educated, slightly left leaning, remain voting but not adverse to a bit of Astley.

I don't post much in here. I'm sure there are plenty like me.

Edited by Mark83 on Friday 11th January 17:38

[s2art]

Not mentioned so far (unless I missed it) is the contributors to PH seem overwhelmingly male. Was there a difference in voting patterns between men and women?

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I was going to ask how one teaches mathematics in a left wing style, but perhaps it is done by permutation.

Mathmos are notorious for being a bit, well, odd. The sort of people you keep in a windowless room and feed intractable problems and packets of crisps to. That seems to keep them happy. TBH if your nephew can tolerate sunlight he's doing all right by matho standards.

[JagLover]

Kermit power said:

This makes it all the more puzzling to me that despite a demographic which should probably throw up relatively balanced volumes of contributors to any Brexit thread, the reality is that they are all overwhelmingly populated by Leave voters to a far greater extent than any statistics suggest they should be.

From memory the NPE poll for the 2015 elections was about 40% Tory 40% UKIP and 20% other parties. Based on that around 30% Remainer is probably about right and it is really to do with background and shared interests.

Construct a profile of a random individual by feeding in Gender, race, age, interests and with enough data a pollster could assign a percentage likelihood of which party they would vote for that would be reasonably accurate.

Edited to add not that far out 51% Tory, 30% UKIP

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by JagLover on Friday 11th January 18:09