How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)
Discussion
Vaud said:
FiF said:
Precisely, it's simply a case of, as some would say, calling an individual out over a clear inconsistency.
Calling people out is fine. “Single brain cell” is uncalled for.Ridgemont said:
Vaud said:
FiF said:
Precisely, it's simply a case of, as some would say, calling an individual out over a clear inconsistency.
Calling people out is fine. “Single brain cell” is uncalled for.FiF said:
Ghibli said:
Robertj21a said:
Vaud said:
FiF said:
Precisely, it's simply a case of, as some would say, calling an individual out over a clear inconsistency.
Calling people out is fine. “Single brain cell” is uncalled for.
Not abuse, not even close to abuse, not even a bit rude.
Sorry. Back on ignore.
Tuna said:
The words just come out of your mouth without the intervention of a single brain cell, don't they?
Perhaps the people making accusations of abuse need to visit the opticians, or use more than one brain cell when reading and interpreting what is written 
Robertj21a said:
Vaud said:
FiF said:
Precisely, it's simply a case of, as some would say, calling an individual out over a clear inconsistency.
Calling people out is fine. “Single brain cell” is uncalled for.Ghibli said:
pingu393 said:
Tony427 said:
So here am I, stock in warehouse, tariffs paid( if required) and potential exchange rate movements covered.
I would be absolutely amazed if no one else has done this in the time available since June 2016. If they haven't they deserve to go under.
Its not rocket science ffs. I am a Sales and Marketing guy not a logistics guy. Proper Logistics guys must do this sort of stuff standing on their heads.
This highlights what is wrong with Brexit. Politicians assume that businessmen as nonreactive as they are. They assume that businessmen would rather fight fog than JFDI.I would be absolutely amazed if no one else has done this in the time available since June 2016. If they haven't they deserve to go under.
Its not rocket science ffs. I am a Sales and Marketing guy not a logistics guy. Proper Logistics guys must do this sort of stuff standing on their heads.
SeeFive said:
I would say that if you rely on others to provide a fix to a potential single point of failure to processes critical to your business when, for example project fear are spouting their stuff which is totally contradicted by the boss of Calais ports (yes, I give you who do you trust if you can’t “take control”), but there is still the real, stated threat that the French militants could take action to disrupt the port if we don’t pay a 39million exit fee, then he is a wiser man than you.
Our imports are down to us. Are we ready or will we just let everything roll over our borders.The French say they are ready.
NoNeed said:
Ghibli said:
It was a childish pathetic comment directed at Helicopter123 that adds nothing to the Brexit discussion. E.g. Trolling.
Is budgie the only one allowed to troll then?JagLover said:
The backstop is either an acceptable future relationship or it is not. If it isn't which a growing number of people believe then those politicians who refuse to ever back it will not only be acting in accordance with the consciences they will also be well placed for the future.
You think it matters who ends up on top of a Conservative party that could easily be destroyed by these events. Do you think it is over if May's deal gets through?
The currently proposed backstop is not acceptable, a fact made clear by last weeks vote. However the moment for saying that on point of principle 'a' backstop either is or is not acceptable has now passed (to the more politically savvy imho). The tone is now one of we need a backstop or some form of agreement between UK and Eire or customs union or *please insert solution of your choice*, and we need to sit down and find it.You think it matters who ends up on top of a Conservative party that could easily be destroyed by these events. Do you think it is over if May's deal gets through?
Raab was left looking obstinate and out of date/touch, much like Boris and JRM did when they misjudged/misread the political runes.
The winners in all of this will be the ones playing the long game (Gove) who are seen to have made the deal we eventually arrive at happen, not the ones who stood in the way of it. As I said earlier, I believe that we will leave with a deal. Remainers and Leavers alike will grumble but accept the compromise, understanding that the NHS/Police etc etc are actually far more important issues, life will move on.
Hard line brexiteers will never accept it, but as demonstrated by the ERM (who are now also 'falling into line') they are a vociferous but largely impotent minority. They'll be some froth, and maybe a new party will emerge to soak up the 3m UKIP voters and not win a seat, but the electorate will default back to traditional party lines.
ben5575 said:
The currently proposed backstop is not acceptable, a fact made clear by last weeks vote. However the moment for saying that on point of principle 'a' backstop either is or is not acceptable has now passed (to the more politically savvy imho). The tone is now one of we need a backstop or some form of agreement between UK and Eire or customs union or *please insert solution of your choice*, and we need to sit down and find it.
Raab was left looking obstinate and out of date/touch, much like Boris and JRM did when they misjudged/misread the political runes.
The winners in all of this will be the ones playing the long game (Gove) who are seen to have made the deal we eventually arrive at happen, not the ones who stood in the way of it. As I said earlier, I believe that we will leave with a deal. Remainers and Leavers alike will grumble but accept the compromise, understanding that the NHS/Police etc etc are actually far more important issues, life will move on.
Hard line brexiteers will never accept it, but as demonstrated by the ERM (who are now also 'falling into line') they are a vociferous but largely impotent minority. They'll be some froth, and maybe a new party will emerge to soak up the 3m UKIP voters and not win a seat, but the electorate will default back to traditional party lines.
ERG?Raab was left looking obstinate and out of date/touch, much like Boris and JRM did when they misjudged/misread the political runes.
The winners in all of this will be the ones playing the long game (Gove) who are seen to have made the deal we eventually arrive at happen, not the ones who stood in the way of it. As I said earlier, I believe that we will leave with a deal. Remainers and Leavers alike will grumble but accept the compromise, understanding that the NHS/Police etc etc are actually far more important issues, life will move on.
Hard line brexiteers will never accept it, but as demonstrated by the ERM (who are now also 'falling into line') they are a vociferous but largely impotent minority. They'll be some froth, and maybe a new party will emerge to soak up the 3m UKIP voters and not win a seat, but the electorate will default back to traditional party lines.
Ghibli said:
SeeFive said:
I would say that if you rely on others to provide a fix to a potential single point of failure to processes critical to your business when, for example project fear are spouting their stuff which is totally contradicted by the boss of Calais ports (yes, I give you who do you trust if you can’t “take control”), but there is still the real, stated threat that the French militants could take action to disrupt the port if we don’t pay a 39million exit fee, then he is a wiser man than you.
Our imports are down to us. Are we ready or will we just let everything roll over our borders.The French say they are ready.
You don’t know, I don’t know, but the man with the business critical point of failure does know. He is covered. He is wise.
SeeFive said:
I would still say that it is more prudent to prepare for direct action from French militants than is is to concern ourselves with another y2k or “all will collapse after the vote” project fear probably false prediction.
You don’t know, I don’t know, but the man with the business critical point of failure does know. He is covered. He is wise.
Businesses are preparing for Brexit as Tony has pointed out. Would we be preparing in the same way if there hadn't been a Brexit vote.You don’t know, I don’t know, but the man with the business critical point of failure does know. He is covered. He is wise.
ben5575 said:
JagLover said:
The backstop is either an acceptable future relationship or it is not. If it isn't which a growing number of people believe then those politicians who refuse to ever back it will not only be acting in accordance with the consciences they will also be well placed for the future.
You think it matters who ends up on top of a Conservative party that could easily be destroyed by these events. Do you think it is over if May's deal gets through?
The currently proposed backstop is not acceptable, a fact made clear by last weeks vote. However the moment for saying that on point of principle 'a' backstop either is or is not acceptable has now passed (to the more politically savvy imho). The tone is now one of we need a backstop or some form of agreement between UK and Eire or customs union or *please insert solution of your choice*, and we need to sit down and find it.You think it matters who ends up on top of a Conservative party that could easily be destroyed by these events. Do you think it is over if May's deal gets through?
Raab was left looking obstinate and out of date/touch, much like Boris and JRM did when they misjudged/misread the political runes.
The winners in all of this will be the ones playing the long game (Gove) who are seen to have made the deal we eventually arrive at happen, not the ones who stood in the way of it. As I said earlier, I believe that we will leave with a deal. Remainers and Leavers alike will grumble but accept the compromise, understanding that the NHS/Police etc etc are actually far more important issues, life will move on.
Hard line brexiteers will never accept it, but as demonstrated by the ERM (who are now also 'falling into line') they are a vociferous but largely impotent minority. They'll be some froth, and maybe a new party will emerge to soak up the 3m UKIP voters and not win a seat, but the electorate will default back to traditional party lines.
‘The biggest obstacles within the Prime Minister’s current deal are the backstop [keeping Northern Ireland tied to EU rules] and the £39 billion we currently propose to give to Brussels but for which we get nothing in return.
‘If Mrs May can persuade the EU to show flexibility on these, we could get the deal through the Commons... It is high time for the Tory Party to come together in the national interest.’
Mogg & the ERG said the same on the 9th December, and still voted down the deal when it eventually got to the HoC last week.
May has done nothing in regards the backstop or the £39 billion to date, reports suggest she hasn't even asked the EU to do anything about either, what has changed for Mogg & the ERG to suggest you think they've fallen into line?
Edited by don'tbesilly on Sunday 20th January 17:58
Ghibli said:
NoNeed said:
Ghibli said:
It was a childish pathetic comment directed at Helicopter123 that adds nothing to the Brexit discussion. E.g. Trolling.
Is budgie the only one allowed to troll then?don'tbesilly said:
May has done nothing in regards the backstop or the £39 billion to date, reports suggest she hasn't even asked the EU to do anything about either, what has changed from Mogg & the ERG to suggest you think they've fallen into line?
Mogg this week said that in a toss-up between no Brexit and May's deal, it would be May's deal; that's as far as his concessions have gone, inasmuch as there are a number of Brexiteers who would rather no Brexit than May's deal, because it really is that bad. The reason Mogg is being emollient is that the Backstop is the only part of the deal that couldn't be unpicked at a later date. If it can be altered or removed everything is still on the table, for better or worse.
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