How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)

[SeeFive]

B'stard Child said:

gothatway said:

wormus said:

What does "Harder Brexit" mean ?
Anyone have any idea how this poll can have been carried out ? The choices are far from exclusive, which is presumably why the total appears to be well over 100% (about 150% from the look of it).

It's funny while you wrote that I had seen it and was thinking the same thing so I knocked up my best guesses at percentage and dropped it into a table

Choice	Percentage
Other/Don't Know	14
Stick with deal	8
Snap Election	11
Soft Brexit	13
Replace PM	14
Harder Brexit	18
Extend Article 50	20
Second Referendum	24
No deal	27
Total	149

Weird

Nobody has asked if it was written on a bus yet?

[B'stard Child]

SeeFive said:

Nobody has asked if it was written on a bus yet?

Nope bus was mentioned a couple of pages back

It's a cyclical thread - round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows

[Balmoral]

B'stard Child said:

SeeFive said:

Nobody has asked if it was written on a bus yet?

Nope bus was mentioned a couple of pages back

It's a cyclical thread - round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows

All together now...

The numbers on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the numbers on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, all day long...

[SeeFive]

Balmoral said:

B'stard Child said:

SeeFive said:

Nobody has asked if it was written on a bus yet?

Nope bus was mentioned a couple of pages back

It's a cyclical thread - round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows

All together now...

The numbers on the bus go round and round, round and round, the numbers on the bus go round and round, round and round, all day long...

I am sure you know that the post was ever so slightly relevant to that and many other bus mentions on here by certain posters.

Are you saying that leave now have a Circle Line tube to post 20 foot high slogans on?

[Ridgemont]

B'stard Child said:

gothatway said:

wormus said:

What does "Harder Brexit" mean ?
Anyone have any idea how this poll can have been carried out ? The choices are far from exclusive, which is presumably why the total appears to be well over 100% (about 150% from the look of it).

It's funny while you wrote that I had seen it and was thinking the same thing so I knocked up my best guesses at percentage and dropped it into a table

Choice	Percentage
Other/Don't Know	14
Stick with deal	8
Snap Election	11
Soft Brexit	13
Replace PM	14
Harder Brexit	18
Extend Article 50	20
Second Referendum	24
No deal	27
Total	149

Weird

The original question might help explain. It appears to have been a multiple choice:

Q2. On Tuesday evening the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly against Theresa May's Brexit deal. Which of the following steps, if any, do you think the Prime Minister should now take?
Base: All respondents (Excl. Don't know)

[B'stard Child]

Ridgemont said:

The original question might help explain. It appears to have been a multiple choice:

Q2. On Tuesday evening the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly against Theresa May's Brexit deal. Which of the following steps, if any, do you think the Prime Minister should now take?
Base: All respondents (Excl. Don't know)

I did one of them there poll things on here once and accidently allowed the participants to pick multiple options

From memory 10 choices - 150 odd participants and 1500 votes - it was a proper clusterfk!!!

[Vanden Saab]

Ridgemont said:

B'stard Child said:

gothatway said:

wormus said:

What does "Harder Brexit" mean ?
Anyone have any idea how this poll can have been carried out ? The choices are far from exclusive, which is presumably why the total appears to be well over 100% (about 150% from the look of it).

It's funny while you wrote that I had seen it and was thinking the same thing so I knocked up my best guesses at percentage and dropped it into a table

Choice	Percentage
Other/Don't Know	14
Stick with deal	8
Snap Election	11
Soft Brexit	13
Replace PM	14
Harder Brexit	18
Extend Article 50	20
Second Referendum	24
No deal	27
Total	149

Weird

The original question might help explain. It appears to have been a multiple choice:

Q2. On Tuesday evening the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly against Theresa May's Brexit deal. Which of the following steps, if any, do you think the Prime Minister should now take?
Base: All respondents (Excl. Don't know)

So with 2046 people and 3096 responses either half the people voted twice or a third voted 3 times or or or what an utterly pointless poll. Oh and the harder and softer answers are in relation to renegotiating with Brussels...

[SeeFive]

Loving the “harder Brexit” option. WTF is that all about?

Perhaps it is this (Tony Blair’s mentor I believe).

NSFW - language

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOHPZ51hAc

[Elysium]

ash73 said:

I'm sick to death of remainer MPs hiding behind the proxy of a second vote, they should have the courage to say they want to revoke article 50 and cancel Brexit.

Plus they might not get the result they want, then how stupid would they look!

Perhaps you should open your mind up to the possibility that these MP's are being honest, that they care about the country and that they want to make sure we get this right?

I realise that the hysterical pro-brexit tabloids are suggesting otherwise, but that does not make it so.

I am beginning to like this chap:

Tobias Ellwood said:

Cooked a banana cake yesterday. Told my son it will be ready in 20 mins - according to the cookbook.
It took 30.
It was a big decision - honouring the cookbook or take more time to get the right result.

https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1087400975772602370

[Ridgemont]

B'stard Child said:

Ridgemont said:

The original question might help explain. It appears to have been a multiple choice:

Q2. On Tuesday evening the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly against Theresa May's Brexit deal. Which of the following steps, if any, do you think the Prime Minister should now take?
Base: All respondents (Excl. Don't know)

I did one of them there poll things on here once and accidently allowed the participants to pick multiple options

From memory 10 choices - 150 odd participants and 1500 votes - it was a proper clusterfk!!!

Which kind of makes the very limited number of votes across 10 odd options very interesting: we appear to be looking (surprise!) at a hugely polarised situation, with Remainers/leavers not spreading across multiple answers.

[Ridgemont]

Elysium said:

https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/10874009...

And that’s what we’ve come to. Banana cake cooking times and referenda results.
Facile crap.

[MEC]

Troubleatmill said:

loafer123 said:

Helicopter123 said:

mx5nut said:

Roboraver said:

No Deal Brexit: Cross Channel trade could be hit significantly

Potential for trade to suffer 75-87% drop.

Still Project fear eh !


https://news.sky.com/story/cross-channel-freight-t...

The Brexiter playbook on bad news say that it's Project Fear until it happens - then it's something that we all knew we were voting for and an acceptable sacrifice.

Good post.

Only if you’re mentally feeble.

Or congratulating yourself with your other account.

good post

[gooner1]

Elysium said:

ash73 said:

I'm sick to death of remainer MPs hiding behind the proxy of a second vote, they should have the courage to say they want to revoke article 50 and cancel Brexit.

Plus they might not get the result they want, then how stupid would they look!

Perhaps you should open your mind up to the possibility that these MP's are being honest, that they care about the country and that they want to make sure we get this right?

I realise that the hysterical pro-brexit tabloids are suggesting otherwise, but that does not make it so.

I am beginning to like this chap:

Tobias Ellwood said:

Cooked a banana cake yesterday. Told my son it will be ready in 20 mins - according to the cookbook.
It took 30.
It was a big decision - honouring the cookbook or take more time to get the right result.

https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1087400975772602370

w


No recipe for Unicorn, that'll displease Mr T.

[Leicester Loyal]

No chance that Labour amendment will get through.

We are a step closer to a no deal Brexit.

[JagLover]

loafer123 said:

Roboraver said:

No Deal Brexit: Cross Channel trade could be hit significantly

Potential for trade to suffer 75-87% drop.

Still Project fear eh !


https://news.sky.com/story/cross-channel-freight-t...

That is truly hilarious.

87%.

Just think.

87%.

If Calais seizes up to that extent, all trade would divert to other ports, or to container ports.

87% would close Calais. And why? To inspect 2% of goods in line with WTO rules?

Remainers need to grow up.

Remember though Remainers are the "educated" ones.

They present worst case scenarios as fact (both with this and the BOE stress test) but they are the "educated" ones.

[plasticpig]

Ridgemont said:

The original question might help explain. It appears to have been a multiple choice:

Q2. On Tuesday evening the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly against Theresa May's Brexit deal. Which of the following steps, if any, do you think the Prime Minister should now take?
Base: All respondents (Excl. Don't know)

There is no option for semi-hard Brexit. If we are going to have a Brexit I don't want a soft gooey Brie style Brexit or a hard Parmesan Brexit but a Cheddar Brexit.

[JagLover]

May lost all the Ministers who genuinely believed in Brexit and now she is in danger of losing all the Remainers

https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-rudd/uk-...

Could just be her left in government soon "nothing has changed" while there is just her on the front bench.

Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 22 January 07:03

[wisbech]

Jeez - whatever your position on EU, the last few years have been embarrassing to watch

[PurpleMoonlight]

JagLover said:

May lost all the Ministers who genuinely believed in Brexit and now she is in danger or losing all the Remainers

https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-rudd/uk-...

Could just be her left in government soon "nothing has changed" while there is just her on the front bench.

She does like to be in control of everything ...

[steve_k]

mx5nut said:

steve_k said:

Ghibli said:

I can't see the border problem disappearing if we leave with no deal and then want to negotiate.

I think we have been waiting for nearly 3 years for them to buckle and they haven't.

Who has the border problem, the UK government has said many times the UK side of the border will not be changing regardless if its deal or no deal?

And people who actually know what they are talking about have said many times that it will have to.

Any chance of you answering the question?

Who are these people you talk of who can tell the UK government what to do regarding the border?

Edited by steve_k on Tuesday 22 January 06:41